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El Chupacabra
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| Failure is never an option. Especially in China. No matter how much you sweat it, no one will ever score below 60 here. IMHO, we shouldn't worry so much about cheating, but think of creative ways to profit from test season. Why let the local admins and copy shops have all the payola? Make it clear that you expect envelopes before the final, just like Tony Soprano. |
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7969
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Location: Coastal Guangdong
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| El Chupacabra wrote: |
| Failure is never an option. Especially in China. No matter how much you sweat it, no one will ever score below 60 here. IMHO, we shouldn't worry so much about cheating, but think of creative ways to profit from test season. Why let the local admins and copy shops have all the payola? Make it clear that you expect envelopes before the final, just like Tony Soprano. |
i'm coming to the same conclusion. |
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wangdaning
Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| El Chupacabra wrote: |
| Failure is never an option. Especially in China. No matter how much you sweat it, no one will ever score below 60 here. IMHO, we shouldn't worry so much about cheating, but think of creative ways to profit from test season. Why let the local admins and copy shops have all the payola? Make it clear that you expect envelopes before the final, just like Tony Soprano. |
I think this really depends on where you work. If a students work is not up to standard I fail them. If the second marker and external examiner agree they fail. If the school were to pass them they would lose their accreditation and thus their students.
They also, as I recently learned, do get in trouble for cheating on their Chinese exams (not my business at all, but I have had a few who got busted for it). Seems the Chinese teachers here aren't just turning the blind eye as is so often claimed. Not sure what happens to them for cheating, but I did see quite a few students coming in to get yelled at by their Chinese tutor.
As far as cheating on exams, well, students are only allowed to bring their student ID and possibly some pens to our exams. Nothing else or they will be called up for academic dishonesty. Invigilators don't take this as a joke.
Again, I guess it depends on where you work, but if I were to follow the advice of not caring I would be out a job. |
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El Chupacabra
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
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Location: Kwangchow
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| I think this really depends on where you work. If a students work is not up to standard I fail them. If the second marker and external examiner agree they fail. If the school were to pass them they would lose their accreditation and thus their students. |
Accreditation? In China? That's a new one, but say it's true. If it's site-dependent then my observations only apply to the 600 or so tertiary institutions in China, where there are often no second markers or external examiners. In these institutions, neither you or I can fail students. We can give them marks below 60, as I certainly have, but those students will still appear next semester with their same cohorts. This is because the administrators always fudge the books to save face.
These students will stick with their cohorts until the bitter end. So while I sarcastically suggest we get our envelopes, I believe a better suggestion is that we try not to lose sleep over exam marking. In the public colleges and universities, don't be surprised if your reported numbers don't stick to the academic record. However, if you can earn an extra 100RMB per student you might have a very nice Spring Festival vacation! |
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Big Poppa Pump
Joined: 28 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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What I'm seeing is the need for us to skip the middle man (the school) and for us to hawk these exams directly to the students.
Study guides.. cheeeeeaaaap!
In fact.. I'd be a total *beep* about it.. hand out these study guides for Free and tell the students that everything on the study guide will be on the exam.
Of course, I'd include an oral component, depending on class size, to really put some bite on the students.
Something tells me handing out free study guides would get me shot/fired by midterms though. |
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El Chupacabra
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
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Location: Kwangchow
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| Big Poppa Pump wrote: |
What I'm seeing is the need for us to skip the middle man (the school) and for us to hawk these exams directly to the students.
Study guides.. cheeeeeaaaap!
In fact.. I'd be a total *beep* about it.. hand out these study guides for Free and tell the students that everything on the study guide will be on the exam.
Of course, I'd include an oral component, depending on class size, to really put some bite on the students.
Something tells me handing out free study guides would get me shot/fired by midterms though. |
I have actually done exactly that, Big Poppa. Distributed study guides that match my exams. But most students don't know how to use a study guide. They literally want to know which is A, which is B, et cet. The few students who care enough to actually study will use study guides effectively.
Mind you, my study guides literally spell out the answers as you suggest. You won't be fired or shot, but perhaps exasperated by the students who don't know a gift horse when they look it in the mouth. |
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7969
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:49 am Post subject: |
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| what form do these study guides take? i've been considering such a thing myself but have no examples on which to base my plan. |
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El Chupacabra
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| 7969 wrote: |
| what form do these study guides take? i've been considering such a thing myself but have no examples on which to base my plan. |
A good way is to devote an entire class to review and preparation. I usually spend at least one class hour with a preso, and then e-mail the PDF version to any interested students. I'll then use the second class hour for Q&A. For some subjects, you may want to have periodic reviews throughout the semester, so they know the types of things you expect them to know by finals. |
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