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Steinmann



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:52 am    Post subject: ESL Job Availability Reply with quote
On November 15, 2009:

naturegirl321 wrote:
I think the market is flooding all over the place due to the recession. But it won't last, once people realise that TEFLing isn't super easy, they'll go back to their old jobs. . or looking for jobs.


Anyone care to weigh in on this one? How does the job market look out there? Where are there jobs to be had?
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:48 am    Post subject: Re: ESL Job Availability Reply with quote
Steinmann wrote:
On November 15, 2009:

naturegirl321 wrote:
I think the market is flooding all over the place due to the recession. But it won't last, once people realise that TEFLing isn't super easy, they'll go back to their old jobs. . or looking for jobs.


Anyone care to weigh in on this one? How does the job market look out there? Where are there jobs to be had?


There are "globally" more jobs than there are applicants.
ESL will continue to be a growth industry.

In SOME (of the better paying or more westernized) markets, notably the EU, Japan and Korea the market is tighter (lots of jobs but also lots of applicants).

In other places where the (gross) pay isn't quite as good there are still lots of jobs.

It is also a point to note that for QUALIFIED teachers (degree, + experience and/or teachers licenses) there are lots of decent paying jobs all around the planet.

Another point to note is that even in places where the initial gross salary is not as good that because of the differences in the cost of living the net salary (savings) at the end of the month can be as good as some of the better paying countries.

For example:
a) a job paying 8000RMB (US$1200)+ housing, airfare, board and benefits in China will allow you to save as much as or more than a job paying 2.2 million won (US$2000) in Korea.

b) The same can be said for a job in Thailand paying 45k-50k THB (US$1500-1600) with monthly savings on the order of US$1000 per month easily attainable.

Both are examples of jobs that are not hard to find if you have some qualifications to bring to the table.

As to being a growth industry - even in the depths of the US recession most of Asia hardly even blinked and ESL GREW in almost every country (with the exception of Japan). Even Korea added 5000 new jobs in ESL (from 25,000 to 30,000 work visas issued in 2009 )while the US economy was crashing down around everyone's ears.

China is predicting a demand for more than a 1/2 MILLION new ESL teachers over the next decade. Korea supports more than 30 thousand ESL teachers annually, 15-20,000 in Japan, 10,000 LEGAL ESL teachers in Thailand (with another estimated 20,000 working illegally), 10,000 more in Vietnam, Cambodia and Indonesia.

That means that in order to keep the jobs filled there needs to be about 50,000 NEW ESL teachers recruited and willing to move abroad EVERY YEAR in addition to those already abroad and willing to stay at work.

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denise



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Where are the jobs?

Um... everywhere. What are your qualifications, and where are you from? Those factors will narrow things down. If you are new to the field and/or minimally qualified, you obviously shouldn't expect the good jobs to be available to you, but if you've got a pulse and half a brain, there is a job out there for you somewhere.

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Steinmann



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
denise wrote:
Where are the jobs?

Um... everywhere. What are your qualifications, and where are you from? Those factors will narrow things down. If you are new to the field and/or minimally qualified, you obviously shouldn't expect the good jobs to be available to you, but if you've got a pulse and half a brain, there is a job out there for you somewhere.

d


A fair question.

I'm from and in the United States.

Degrees (from different universities):
B.A. English (2005)
B.S. Secondary English Education (2009)

US state certified:
6-12 English Language Arts
6-8 Mathematics
K-12 ESOL

I'm currently teaching high school English in a US public school system.
I have no other TEFL/TESOL/ESL/ESOL certification other than the one mentioned above.
I have little experience specifically oriented toward teaching ESL. The above cert was an add-on, but it's a genuine state certification. Looking forward to getting such experience. Smile

Think I have a remote shot at a job somewhere in the world? Somewhere I don't have to worry about checking the perimeter tripwires before I retire for the evening would be good.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
There are plenty of jobs out there. It's just that GOOD jobs are hard to find. Espeically if yo uhave little quals, experience, or connections.

With your quals, try to get a job at an intl school.

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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: ESL Job Availability Reply with quote
tttompatz wrote:
a) a job paying 8000RMB (US$1200)+ housing, airfare, board and benefits in China will allow you to save as much as or more than a job paying 2.2 million won (US$2000) in Korea.


I don't know about that. Starting salary is $800 difference. Having worked in both countries I'd have to disagree. You're getting free housing in both.

So for the first, let's say you spend $300. You're left with $900

The second, you spend $1000, you're left with $1000.

Plus, you're forgetting that China doesn't give severance pay OR pension. That alone can put another $3000 in your pocket. At least.
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Steinmann wrote:
denise wrote:
Where are the jobs?

Um... everywhere. What are your qualifications, and where are you from? Those factors will narrow things down. If you are new to the field and/or minimally qualified, you obviously shouldn't expect the good jobs to be available to you, but if you've got a pulse and half a brain, there is a job out there for you somewhere.

d


A fair question.

I'm from and in the United States.

Degrees (from different universities):
B.A. English (2005)
B.S. Secondary English Education (2009)

US state certified:
6-12 English Language Arts
6-8 Mathematics
K-12 ESOL

I'm currently teaching high school English in a US public school system.
I have no other TEFL/TESOL/ESL/ESOL certification other than the one mentioned above.
I have little experience specifically oriented toward teaching ESL. The above cert was an add-on, but it's a genuine state certification. Looking forward to getting such experience. Smile

Think I have a remote shot at a job somewhere in the world? Somewhere I don't have to worry about checking the perimeter tripwires before I retire for the evening would be good.


With those qualifications you could literally waltz into a position anywhere outside Europe (where as an American you would be unlikely to obtain a work visa regardless of your qualifications) or North America (where there is currently a glut of teachers).

=Look at public school positions in Taiwan (pay range on the order of 80kTWD plus benefits per month),
=a NET position in Hong Kong (similar pay/benefits package) or an =international/IB school (as a homeroom/subject teacher) just about anywhere else.
=You should be able to also find positions in the 8-15k RMB range in China.

Drive right on by the usual entry level ESL positions unless that is what you really want to do.

About the only places you need to worry about the trip wire are places you find the US military playing their games (Middle East and west/central Asia).

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artemisia



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
As you're secondary school qualified and at least have some current experience, I think you have a reasonable shot at a place where you DON'T need to worry about the perimeter trip wire! I'd suggest you look under the websites of Teach Away (Canadian based, I think) and teachanywhere (similar). They have TEFL jobs and also other school subjects.