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What do you do after doing ESL for a few years?
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KyleK



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:49 pm    Post subject: What do you do after doing ESL for a few years? Reply with quote

I am curious as to what others have done AFTER teaching ESL for a few years. After I graduate university in 2011 I plan on moving to SA and becoming certified, and begin teaching ESL.

My question is what have others done after a few years of instruction. Have anyone done it as a career or for a very long time? I would like to spend some time in Japan teaching as well. I will have school loans to pay off, not in SA, but in Japan or another higher paying country will paying these off be possible?

My other option is to come back to the states and get a Masters Degree. It's a possibility but I was curious as to my long term ESL options.

Thanks!
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sigh, some of us just keep doing it. You can move up, but only so far. Others branch out and do admin stuff, others go back to school, become doctors or laywers. It depends on you. Sorry, I konw that doens't help, but we can't tell you what you should do.

ASk Glenski about teaching in Japan. YOu'd be better off going to Korea or the Middle East.

There are plenty of us who were in LA and have taught for a while. Justin Trullinger and myself are now in Korea, but there are lots of the mexico forum, such as MELEE and Guy Courchesne who have been there forever Smile

MAs can be done by distance. I have an MA in TEFL through Spain and am getting another MA from OZ. All online.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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such as MELEE and Guy Courchesne who have been there forever


older than dirt... Wink

I moved into teacher training after some time teaching EFL mostly at the business English level. I'm considering moving into early childhood education (non-EFL) by pursuing an online degree in this field through a Canadian college.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
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such as MELEE and Guy Courchesne who have been there forever


older than dirt... Wink

I moved into teacher training after some time teaching EFL mostly at the business English level. I'm considering moving into early childhood education (non-EFL) by pursuing an online degree in this field through a Canadian college.

That came out bad. Embarassed Can you get a degree from a teacher's college in Canada online?
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scot47



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

O tried to "Get out" in the 1980's. Did not do well. Had problems getting employment back in Scotlkand and eventually realised that i am a "lifer".
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
Guy Courchesne wrote:
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such as MELEE and Guy Courchesne who have been there forever


older than dirt... Wink

I moved into teacher training after some time teaching EFL mostly at the business English level. I'm considering moving into early childhood education (non-EFL) by pursuing an online degree in this field through a Canadian college.

That came out bad. Embarassed Can you get a degree from a teacher's college in Canada online?


Wink Merry Christmas

I don't think a BEd can be done online in Canada, but the program I'm looking at is a diploma program (sorry, I had written degree and not diploma)in ECE in Ontario that is available online, though I'd have to fly back and stay in Canada for a few weeks per year for the practicum.
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MotherF



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Latin America a lot of jobs are had through connections. The longer you stay in this, the more connections you make (hopefully) and you can move into the better jobs, and pick up side work like translating, freelancing for publishers, etc.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MotherF wrote:
In Latin America a lot of jobs are had through connections. The longer you stay in this, the more connections you make (hopefully) and you can move into the better jobs, and pick up side work like translating, freelancing for publishers, etc.


Connections are king in Latin America. When I lived in Tijuana I knew an American there that got his photo taken with the commander of the TJ police force. He carried it next to the commander's business card in his wallet. Whenever he got stopped by the super corrupt cops, they would see that and aplogize and send him on his way again Wink
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Leroyal



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:22 pm    Post subject: Lifers Reply with quote

Sadly even with connections there really is only so far you can go in Latin America. As much fun as it may be I know a far better quality of life awaits any dishwasher in Australia than any teacher in Latin America.
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Lifers Reply with quote

Leroyal wrote:
As much fun as it may be I know a far better quality of life awaits any dishwasher in Australia than any teacher in Latin America.


Only if one doesn't mind spending his or her life with dishpan hands Wink. Remember that a good quality of life includes spending your working years doing something you find rewarding, and teaching vs. washing dishes wins hand down (and not in the dirty dishwater) for me!
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Lifers Reply with quote

Leroyal wrote:
Sadly even with connections there really is only so far you can go in Latin America. As much fun as it may be I know a far better quality of life awaits any dishwasher in Australia than any teacher in Latin America.


Sad, but all so very true!

Same reason why immigrants leave their home countries to travel to places such as The US, Canada, Australia, The UK etc.

Because a dishwasher in those countries has better opportunties for pay, quality of life, advancement and education than they would back home, esp. in Latin America. Teaching EFL is a slow-track to nowhere in the Americas.
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spanglish



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof. Gringo, you're pretty negative about English teaching in Latin America. Do you have upper-level qualifications that would open up the better jobs? I'm sort of at a cross-roads of whether to stay in Latin America or move on to greener pastures elsewhere.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spanglish wrote:
Prof. Gringo, you're pretty negative about English teaching in Latin America. Do you have upper-level qualifications that would open up the better jobs? I'm sort of at a cross-roads of whether to stay in Latin America or move on to greener pastures elsewhere.

I moved on after 6 years and came back to Asia. If you PM me I could answer any questions you have.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spanglish wrote:
Prof. Gringo, you're pretty negative about English teaching in Latin America. Do you have upper-level qualifications that would open up the better jobs? I'm sort of at a cross-roads of whether to stay in Latin America or move on to greener pastures elsewhere.


I don't think "upper-level quals" open all that many doors, not in Mexico anyways.

If somebody is going to invest time and money on getting better pieces of paper, I would at least look to the higher paying EFL markets, esp. the Mid. East.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Upper level quals' open up lots of doors in Mexico, including the international school circuit, with connections into and out of Mexico fairly deep. My girlfriend did her teaching practicum in Monterrey through her Ontario, Canada university. Another school she worked with in Mexico City flew her to Costa Rica for IB training through their . Her current school then helped her to get a master's through their association in the US, bringing instructors down here from Buffalo state, with the program mostly subsidized by her school.

Upper level quals don't just open doors...they open up all kinds of paths in, out, and back again. It's amazing what's there if you just look.
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