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adshunt
Joined: 05 Dec 2010 Posts: 1 Location: gb
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:30 am Post subject: Attitudes of Fellow Teachers |
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I've been reading this forum for a good couple of months now, trying to soak up everything I can ahead of my CELTA course that starts in a few days. I'm no nearer making a decision on destination, but I do have all my documents ready for when I finally take the plunge!
The one thing that has really stood out whilst researching is the amount that moderators have to step in to 'calm' the discussions, issue warnings or simply ban members. Should I expect to meet these angry teachers at every turn on my teaching travels, or are they (hopefully) just a vocal minority?
I don't mean to belittle the contribution of most members - I wouldn't still be reading if there wasn't a wealth of useful information on the site. On the other hand I'd be lying if I wasn't slightly worried about entering a world of bitter old folk who hate their lives and are trying to run away from them (a horrendous exaggeration of what I believe is the case - I don't want anyone getting angry at me!). |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:45 am Post subject: |
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I think most of us regulars really love what we do (well, I do for sure). Maybe we sometimes come across as argumentative because
1. The regulars know each other a bit, and we sometimes clash - it's natural and no real reflection on the profession.
2. We try to patiently answer the same questions over and over many times through the years and occasionally our patience wears thin (especially when the newbie asking the questions doesn't happen to like the answers, which we have no control over).
Overall, don't worry - there are good/bad/everything in between TEFLers in terms of general mood, and you mostly make your own circle of friends. If you're going to approach it positively, you'll be fine. |
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Steinmann

Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Posts: 255 Location: In the frozen north
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:05 am Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
I think most of us regulars really love what we do (well, I do for sure). Maybe we sometimes come across as argumentative because...[w]e try to patiently answer the same questions over and over many times through the years and occasionally our patience wears thin.. |
Speaking for myself, I am genuinely appreciative of the feedback, constructive or otherwise, I receive from members of this forum. The wealth of information available here and members' general willingness to helpfully share that information makes this process much easier and less threatening, and I'm deeply grateful. I'm equally appreciative when someone tells me that I'm being an idiot and then sets me right. After all, everyone was green once, right? |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:38 am Post subject: |
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You will find those bitter types in the field, but they are easily enough avoided. As to why there is some negativity on the forum... well, it bothers me, too, when an otherwise or potentially useful thread turns into a spat between a few members. (I have been involved on a few occasions, sadly...) But that's normally when I tune out and stop reading a thread.
No, it's not always like that in the teacher's room! You might have to put up with a few oddballs in meetings, sharing classes, in shared housing if your school offers it, etc., but as spiral said, you can choose your own friends. Just choose the sane ones!
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:48 am Post subject: |
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Despite the large number of people signed up to this and other forums, there are far more out there that don't use forums at all, and even those who do sign up may not look at the site after some time.
As for bans or moderation, read the posts carefully (and the FAQ rules), and you'll often see why such things happen. Some people troll. Some have thin skins. Some misinterpret what is written in cold, hard text. Some just don't like being told they are wrong. Like I said, see the threads carefully to know more about why sanctions are taken.
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I'd be lying if I wasn't slightly worried about entering a world of bitter old folk |
Not all bitter people are old.
You're going to run into people of all kinds out there. Some are running away from things. Some are running to teaching careers. Others run towards hedonistic pleasures, etc.
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I'm no nearer making a decision on destination, but I do have all my documents ready for when I finally take the plunge! |
If you don't know where you want to go, how do you know what the visa regulations are? They vary from country to country.
To help you decide, perhaps it would help to consider climate or food or general openness of cultures. Or perhaps the ease of learning the language. Some countries offer only/mostly rural conditions or very low standards of living. Others may have very low salaries. Think these things over for a while. |
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Zero
Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 1402
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Negative people are in every profession. More so in ESL than other fields? I don't know.
The negative people are probably more apt to go to forums and post. Or at least they attract more attention when they do.
I do think that ESL has an inferiority complex. That's somewhat true of teaching in general. People who have made a career in it may sometimes like to emphasize credentials, degrees and specialized techniques in order to compare favorably to other fields, and even to other types of teachers/instructors/professors. |
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mimi_intheworld
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 167 Location: UAE
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Zero wrote: |
I do think that ESL has an inferiority complex. That's somewhat true of teaching in general. People who have made a career in it may sometimes like to emphasize credentials, degrees and specialized techniques in order to compare favorably to other fields, and even to other types of teachers/instructors/professors. |
Zero, I think you're right, and in my (limited) experience that inferiority complex comes almost directly from people "back home" constantly asking when we're going to "quit running away," give up this travelling thing, settle down and get a real job.
Or maybe I'm projecting.
Either way, it's a pity TEFLing isn't recognised as a "proper" career (I know, too many quotes), because for my money, it's kind of the best. |
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Vaporate
Joined: 12 Jan 2011 Posts: 19 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know why people 'back home' attack the TEFL industry.
There are thousands of unemployed graduates in the UK who are applying for simple GCSE level admin work yet get declined before interview.
Simply because they have found some 40 year old with years of experience, thus not giving the newly qualified a chance.
With no prospects in the UK at all, by no fault of my own, TEFL sounds like a god send lol
Yes the grass is not greener but it beats JSA claiming and applying fruitlessly for crap jobs with low pay. |
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