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Steinmann
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| ...the public school system in my home county required all teachers to get a masters qualification within 10 years or forego subsequient pay raises. maybe that is why my county has been consistently ranked in the top 3 in the nation for more than 20 years. |
I'm curious as to which county that might be. |
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Steinmann
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:08 am Post subject: |
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1. fladude is qualified in a couple of the more liberal states in terms of requirements for teacher qualifications.
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Well I'm certified in Florida and Alaska and meet the requirements for California and most Eastern States (except for Pennsylvania). I meet the Federal No Child Left Behind guidelines for being Highly Qualified to teach English. But I suppose that the 45 or so states where I am qualified are all fringe "liberal" states (like Texas known for being Liberal). |
...and you can't teach in Indo? What up with that? |
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fladude
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| Steinmann wrote: |
| fladude wrote: |
| travelNteach wrote: |
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1. fladude is qualified in a couple of the more liberal states in terms of requirements for teacher qualifications.
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Well I'm certified in Florida and Alaska and meet the requirements for California and most Eastern States (except for Pennsylvania). I meet the Federal No Child Left Behind guidelines for being Highly Qualified to teach English. But I suppose that the 45 or so states where I am qualified are all fringe "liberal" states (like Texas known for being Liberal). |
...and you can't teach in Indo? What up with that? |
Indonesia requires an actual Bachelor of Arts degree in English, which is not required in any state in America. There are states, such as New York, which require that teachers obtain 30 credit hours in the subject they teach, but this could be done post degree. For example, I have a degree in History. I could be certified to teach History in New York. If I wanted to also be certified to teach English there, I could take 5 or 6 classes in English (on top of the ones which I already have) and that would give me 30 credit hours in English. I could then be certified in New York (since I am a certified teacher). I would not be certified in Indonesia though because I still would not have a Bachelor of Arts degree or B'ED in English. The Indonesian requirement is absurd in the extreme. Anyone who supports this is just being obnoxious.
There are many ways to become a competent teacher, but going back and taking a bunch of basic 100 and 200 level courses over again just to fulfill the requirements of a B.A. is not one of them.
And at the end of the day Indonesia is in no position to require this anyway. The pay there just isn't up to par. |
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Steinmann
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| fladude wrote: |
| Steinmann wrote: |
| fladude wrote: |
| travelNteach wrote: |
@ sta
1. fladude is qualified in a couple of the more liberal states in terms of requirements for teacher qualifications.
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Well I'm certified in Florida and Alaska and meet the requirements for California and most Eastern States (except for Pennsylvania). I meet the Federal No Child Left Behind guidelines for being Highly Qualified to teach English. But I suppose that the 45 or so states where I am qualified are all fringe "liberal" states (like Texas known for being Liberal). |
...and you can't teach in Indo? What up with that? |
Indonesia requires an actual Bachelor of Arts degree in English, which is not required in any state in America. There are states, such as New York, which require that teachers obtain 30 credit hours in the subject they teach, but this could be done post degree. For example, I have a degree in History. I could be certified to teach History in New York. If I wanted to also be certified to teach English there, I could take 5 or 6 classes in English (on top of the ones which I already have) and that would give me 30 credit hours in English. I could then be certified in New York (since I am a certified teacher). I would not be certified in Indonesia though because I still would not have a Bachelor of Arts degree or B'ED in English. The Indonesian requirement is absurd in the extreme. Anyone who supports this is just being obnoxious.
There are many ways to become a competent teacher, but going back and taking a bunch of basic 100 and 200 level courses over again just to fulfill the requirements of a B.A. is not one of them.
And at the end of the day Indonesia is in no position to require this anyway. The pay there just isn't up to par. |
There have to be ways around this. As has been observed on this thread, there are lots of folks teaching in Indonesia without all that. Makes me wonder, though, whether a fella with the required degrees and creds could command higher pay. Probably not. |
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aku_tonpa
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:17 am Post subject: |
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It is hard to know exactly how this all works. The law is from 2009, but i know of teachers hired at International Schools without a first degree in the summer of 2010.
I have only heard of a couple of reports of teachers being refused interviews based on this law,
It would be interesting to hear other reports to find out if schools are implementing to what is set out in this law.
I also asked my principal (showing her the document) and she seemed to think that it didn't affect International Schools, just adding to my confusion. |
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scuba066
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| Today's English First job postings do not mention an english literature degree, only a college degree. |
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Durian Tango
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:40 am Post subject: |
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As far as my school is concerned, the regulations as we have recently come to know them are still rock solid. We have tried to hire teachers without degrees in English, even if they have experience and a CELTA/Trinity - but they have all been rejected. It's a degree in English or nothing.
At the same time, applicants are coming to our school saying that they have been offered jobs at other schools, even though their degree is not in English. This implies two things: one is that the law is not being applied equally to all English language schools across the country or the second is that some schools are finding ways around the regulations. What those ways are, I can't comment on, because I don't know.
Either way though, the best advice I have for new teacher applicants is to try a various number of schools when applying, but if a school says they will hire you when you don't have an English degree, triple check that they will be able to legally get you a working permit - otherwise it may spell trouble down the road.
I would be interested to hear from other | |
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