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KayuJati
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| jessicab wrote: |
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What is OSAP?
Note: Casual drinking a couple of nights a week in bars in Japan will eat about 50,000 yen/month. There are ways to lower that, but this is an average. |
OSAP is Ontario Student Assistance Program, it's government sponsored loans for college and university students.
Good thing I don't drink at all! |
I would second tttompatz's motion that you look to Korea for your first Asian teaching stint. China is an interesting place, but most positions are for university students, whereas Korea has mostly jobs for children, which is what I figured a B.Ed. is directed towards. Once you get 2-3 years of experience, then more interesting countries open up to your qualifications. |
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BellaBrunei
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:23 am Post subject: Good starting place. |
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Reading the OP I also immediately thought of Korea...it's a good starting point for Asia and you could probably save half your salary. In 2001-2003 when I was teaching there I was on 2 million won a month and lived off half that, including a couple of nights out a week, so was able to save a decent amount. Culturally I found it much easier than China to settle in. If you are keen to stay in a school system rather than a language institute, there are a number of international schools to look at. (PM for details)
Brunei will only take you with three years experience, HK NET scheme 2 years. I'm not sure about JET- anyone know? Good luck. |
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tttompatz
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Good starting place. |
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| BellaBrunei wrote: |
Reading the OP I also immediately thought of Korea...it's a good starting point for Asia and you could probably save half your salary. In 2001-2003 when I was teaching there I was on 2 million won a month and lived off half that, including a couple of nights out a week, so was able to save a decent amount. Culturally I found it much easier than China to settle in. If you are keen to stay in a school system rather than a language institute, there are a number of international schools to look at. (PM for details)
Brunei will only take you with three years experience, HK NET scheme 2 years. I'm not sure about JET- anyone know? Good luck. |
Jet in Japan and EPIK/GEPIK in Korea are 2 that she qualifies for and in both cases she can make her required savings/loan payments.
For the EPIK/GEPIK information she needs to browse the Korean forums. There is lots of stuff there, just don't get carried away by the crud that gets posted by guys who are bored and warming a desk during the winter break.
I am not sure what the JET schedule for hiring is. A quick google will nail it down for her. She should probably apply to all 3 programs and take the one that she gets accepted for. They all include housing, airfare, decent benefits and a decent wage package.
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Glenski
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| About the ONLY place in Asia that will pay enough at the entry level to cover your living expenses AND pay your student loans would be Korea. |
Not so. The JET Programme in Japan will do that just nicely. It pays 300,000 yen/month, which is more than what used to be the standard 250,000 from other ALT places and conversation schools, and even on 250K you can make those payments.
As for Korea, rent may very well be paid for most opportunities (check their forum), but realize why there is a separate registration for the forum for Korea! Pretty grim there. |
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tttompatz
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
| tttompatz wrote: |
| About the ONLY place in Asia that will pay enough at the entry level to cover your living expenses AND pay your student loans would be Korea. |
Not so. The JET Programme in Japan will do that just nicely. It pays 300,000 yen/month, which is more than what used to be the standard 250,000 from other ALT places and conversation schools, and even on 250K you can make those payments.
As for Korea, rent may very well be paid for most opportunities (check their forum), but realize why there is a separate registration for the forum for Korea! Pretty grim there. |
It is not that grim in spite of what you think you see on the Korean forums.
But as I also mentioned in the post immediately preceding your most recent, the JET program also is worth looking into.
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Glenski
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| It is not that grim in spite of what you think you see on the Korean forums. |
I won't argue that point, tttompatz, but I feel it is extremely interesting that a totally separate registration is needed for just one country. |
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steki47
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| tttompatz wrote: |
| It is not that grim in spite of what you think you see on the Korean forums. |
I won't argue that point, tttompatz, but I feel it is extremely interesting that a totally separate registration is needed for just one country. |
Isn't that because the founder of ESL Cafe is located in Korea? |
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tttompatz
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| steki47 wrote: |
| Glenski wrote: |
| tttompatz wrote: |
| It is not that grim in spite of what you think you see on the Korean forums. |
I won't argue that point, tttompatz, but I feel it is extremely interesting that a totally separate registration is needed for just one country. |
Isn't that because the founder of ESL Cafe is located in Korea? |
Actually, I believe he was in Thailand for his ESL stint before returning to the States.
The Korean forums have their own board and registrations because they do more volume in a day than this board does in a month and they require far more moderation due to the high traffic.
Korea has its issues as do most other countries but for the most part those issues aren't much different in Korea than anywhere else where ESL teaching is common:
a) academy owners cheating on contracts and other "labor law violation" issues.
b) pay issues - creative accounting and time keeping
c) immigration issues
d) visa issues and complications with visa applications
Sounds like just about every country on this board.
I foresee China needing its own board in the not too distant future if things continue to grow there at an exponential rate (as predicted by SAFEA).
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jessicab
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| Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| KayuJati wrote: |
| jessicab wrote: |
| Glenski wrote: |
What is OSAP?
Note: Casual drinking a couple of nights a week in bars in Japan will eat about 50,000 yen/month. There are ways to lower that, but this is an average. |
OSAP is Ontario Student Assistance Program, it's government sponsored loans for college and university students.
Good thing I don't drink at all! |
I would second tttompatz's motion that you look to Korea for your first Asian teaching stint. China is an interesting place, but most positions are for university students, whereas Korea has mostly jobs for children, which is what I figured a B.Ed. is directed towards. Once you get 2-3 years of experience, then more interesting countries open up to your qualifications. |
Yes, I'd definitely rather work with children! I was just thinking China because of its growth rate and demand for native English speakers in all sectors. My whole goal of teaching overseas is for the experience and of course the fact that I have bills to pay and their aren't too many jobs in Ontario right now!
I don't need to save an incredible amount, I just want to have a little nest egg for practical purposes. Really I seek to get my debt load down! |
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KayuJati
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| I don't need to save an incredible amount, I just want to have a little nest egg for practical purposes. Really I seek to get my debt load down! |
Good for you! We live debt-free and the peace of mind that comes with that is valuable. That being said, I would recommend that you sign up for the Korea forum and see what opportunities lie there. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| steki47 wrote: |
| Isn't that because the founder of ESL Cafe is located in Korea? |
Not sure what that would have to do with anything. Besides, according to this site, he's in California:
http://www.eslcafe.com/contact.html |
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steki47
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| Isn't that because the founder of ESL Cafe is located in Korea? |
Actually, I believe he was in Thailand for his ESL stint before returning to the States.
The Korean forums have their own board and registrations because they do more volume in a day than this board does in a month and they require far more moderation due to the high traffic. |
Ok, I was wrong. The higher traffic sounds more realistic. |
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