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BSUMatt



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:31 pm    Post subject: Question on background checks Reply with quote

Hey everyone, I have a question about criminal records with a slightly different twist. When I was young I got a felony for selling weed. Since then I did well for myself, graduated college, and did many other resume boosting activities (pres. of fraternity, student body senator, etc). Just yesterday I went before the judge and set in motion a record change which will modify the charge to a misdemeanor. Now I just have to wait 1-3 weeks for the paperwork to go through and the judge to sign it.

My question is, when in the application process are background checks done? How thorough and how accurate are they? Once I applied to Best Buy (stating my felony) and they received a faulty report back saying that I had three. Apparently the company running the check counted every time I appeared in court a separate felony. I got that cleared up, but now I have zero faith in anyone's ability to accurately search at least my background.

I'm hoping to start applying for jobs teaching English and I was wondering if anyone here has been involved in the process of background checks. I would like to find out if I should wait a few weeks to put in applications or if I could start the process now. Any info I could get on the process would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
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tttompatz



Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most places don't do background checks. Mexico, central/south America, Africa, and a few countries in Asia are open to you.

For those that do have background checks, ANY positive finding, regardless of the nature, showing on your record will be automatic grounds for refusal of a work visa.

As a US citizen most of Europe is not an option (EU rules for getting a work visa - not because of your history). A few countries in Eastern Europe may be open to US citizens and some do not require a background check.

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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Central/Eastern Europe (where a US citizen does have a legal chance at work) DOES require criminal background checks. Further, the OP will need a CELTA or equivalent certification - and jobs aren't normally found from abroad in this region, necessitating the payment of start-up costs (air ticket to the region, first month or two of room/board).
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come to Russia. No background checks that I know of... In any case criminals fit right in!!
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For those that do have background checks, ANY positive finding, regardless of the nature, showing on your record will be automatic grounds for refusal of a work visa.


THe thing about EFL is, the world is a big place. It's hard to generalize.

THe previous statement in undoubtedly true about MANY places, but to say that's it's true of every place that has a background check is silly. Have you CHECKED every place that does background checks??

It is not true about Ecuador. I know several teachers there who presented a CRB with past convictions, and received visas.

I'm sure Ecuador is not alone in this.

OP, you need to check specific countries you're interested in. Don't generalize about what "the whole world" is like, and don't believe folks who do.

Best,
Justin
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Trullinger wrote:

It is not true about Ecuador. I know several teachers there who presented a CRB with past convictions, and received visas.


When did Ecuador (government / immigration service) start requiring criminal background checks for a visa application?

I will be willing to bet LONG ODDS that any/every government that requires a criminal background check as part of a work visa application would reject out of hand any application with a positive finding, especially a positive finding for ANY drug charge.

Side note: I have NEVER known anyone or had personal knowledge of anyone (in any country) who has been required to produce a CBC as part of an application for a teaching work visa who had a positive finding on said CBC to be granted the applied for visa.

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AGoodStory



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When did Ecuador (government / immigration service) start requiring criminal background checks for a visa application?


This is from the Southern Cross website; can't vouch for it's accuracy since there have been changes recently in Ecuador's visa requirements (or at least their enforcement.)

"You need two documents to obtain a work visa: your university or technical degree and certificate showing that you have no criminal record. Both of these documents must be authenticated with an "Apostille" from the Foreign Office or Department of State."

However, the experience of those posting on the Latin America forum about the Ecuadorian visa process seems to have varied depending on where they applied--some were asked for a criminal background clearance, and others not.
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Blingcosa



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to do a comprehensive listing at some stage, as this is an often-asked question, and I have my own issue with a drink driving charge.

As far as I know, you are okay in China, Cambodia, Argentina and Russia.

Japan asks, but doesn't check - so there is the possiblility of a 'memory lapse' there.

Some countries ask, but a conviction isn't always an instant rejection - sounds like the case with Ecuador. Maybe this is the case with Thailand too: they require a background check, but I think they are more concerned about sex offenders.

I have heard that any offence will have you denied a work visa for Saudi, Vietnam or Korea, but there might always be the chance to work 'sub-legally' on a tourist visa.
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When did Ecuador (government / immigration service) start requiring criminal background checks for a visa application?


I have no idea when they started. I first presented a criminal background check in an Ecuadorian visa application in 2003. I then supervised visa applications for foreign teachers and TESOL applicants until February 2010.

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I will be willing to bet LONG ODDS that any/every government that requires a criminal background check as part of a work visa application would reject out of hand any application with a positive finding, especially a positive finding for ANY drug charge.


Again, you can bet long odds. How much do you want to bet? Email me, and I'll give you may address, so you can send me the check. I have seen CRBs with positive findings in applications for which visas were granted.

These were usually findings of a minor nature, but it makes the point that your statement that ANY positive finding would result in visa denial is an overgeneralization.

There seemed to be a criteria in place that even minor offences would result in visa denial, but some pretty serious findings on criminal records didn-t interfere with visas if they were long ago.

The rules change all the time. I certainly don't know the rules in Ecuador for tomorrow. (That was one of the frustrations of working there.) I'm really not recommending Ecuador as a destination for those who are worried about criminal records. (Especially as so many places in Latin America don't even check.)

I'm really just posting this as a reminder not to overgeneralize. Anyone who tells you that anything is true everywhere in the world is probably wrong.


Best,
Justin
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Montanaland



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:06 am    Post subject: credit check Reply with quote

All background checks are not equal...meaning some are more rigid than others.

For comparison I have a 500 something credit score at this moment meaning I would not pass the www.dss.mil credit check to work in a mail room (70k yr) or some other info sensitive menial logcapiv job(s) through fluor.com and dyn-intl.com etc.


About 1/2 of all logcapiv jobs do not require secret clearence and above which require excellent credit. I guess if you've had serious legal problems such as a felony etc.. I'd imagine you would have to stick to certain countries. At my H.S. where I work as well as any other white collar job in Amerika a clean background is a must Smile
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HLJHLJ



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I applied for a 12-1X in the UK earlier this year, I needed a copy of my criminal record check. It wasn't a CRB certificate (I have one of those as well, but they don't accept them) it was a specific type of letter from ACPO.

I don't have a criminal record, so I have no idea whether it would show up, but the letter only cost about �12 in the UK.

The consulate rules vary slightly by country (and in USA by state for some reason), so it may be worth shopping around.

Be aware that Ecuador have really tightened up on visas over the last few months, and it's causing a lot of people here headaches.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to Peru. No background checks, no visas, housing, or flights for that matter either Smile
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geekpie



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the moment I think if you have a minor offence on your record it isn't a problem, especially if it is a long time ago. I have a misdemeanor on record from when I was 15-16, a good 10-12 years ago. Unfortunately because I'm from the UK, child records become spent but can never be expunged like they can in the states. The UK frequently comes under criticism for it's criminalisation of children, but that's another topic I guess. On topic, I know Japan takes a particularly dim view of narcotics offences. What's to bet that before long EVERY country will require checks and refuse anyone with ANY form of offence, no matter how trivial?
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Big Poppa Pump



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As it isn't a federal offense get a CRC from a different state. You ought to come up aces if you do that. Just use your mate's place as an address to send the results.
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WanderAround



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Question on background checks Reply with quote

BSUMatt wrote:
Hey everyone, I have a question about criminal records with a slightly different twist. When I was young I got a felony for selling weed. Since then I did well for myself, graduated college, and did many other resume boosting activities (pres. of fraternity, student body senator, etc). Just yesterday I went before the judge and set in motion a record change which will modify the charge to a misdemeanor. Now I just have to wait 1-3 weeks for the paperwork to go through and the judge to sign it.

My question is, when in the application process are background checks done? How thorough and how accurate are they? Once I applied to Best Buy (stating my felony) and they received a faulty report back saying that I had three. Apparently the company running the check counted every time I appeared in court a separate felony. I got that cleared up, but now I have zero faith in anyone's ability to accurately search at least my background.

I'm hoping to start applying for jobs teaching English and I was wondering if anyone here has been involved in the process of background checks. I would like to find out if I should wait a few weeks to put in applications or if I could start the process now. Any info I could get on the process would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!


Just a word of advice when you get the felony reduced to a misdemeanor, double check that it actually shows up on a background check.

I had a felony for a second DUI, and had it reduced to a misdemeanor. I ran my background check through the state five years later, and it still showed up as a felony!
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