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Europe-not a living wage to be found.
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artemisia



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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EVERY single EFL teacher I know in Europe is flat broke.

Odd to have a thread started by one poster who seems to have all but vanished but whose viewpoint is rigorously 'defended' by another. How many "flat broke" EFL teachers in Europe are known personally to the OP?

This seems like a fishing expedition to me to see what comes up out of the water to support the original claim.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

denise wrote:
Here's why I am doing well: I have an MA, 10ish years of experience, and I work in the Gulf. I am single, so no husband to mooch off of.


I have a husband who semi-mooches Laughing , but am still able to save a lot.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hod wrote:
Sharter isn't new to this forum. Whilst his opening post is basically a rant, I think what he was after were opinions or advice. What he got was someone saying how big their house was.


From what I pick up about Europe here, it's k;ind of like Latin America: you go there for the lifestyle, not the money. Money is to be had in parts of Asia and the MIddle East.
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wiganer



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to earn 400 Euros a week in Spain, it meant running around the parish for in-company classes but it was a decent wage. I didn't know many Spaniards earning that!

The day of the TEFL backpacker is coming to an end. Nowadays, you can earn degrees and even masters degrees in TESOL so there is less and less chance of some uneducated backpacker getting a job without something on the CV - being white isn't enough anymore.

There is no excuse really, if you want the decent money in this sector then get the qualifications and the money will follow. However, the vast majority of teacher's cannot be arsed in setting aside a year to do the MA TESOL and then wonder why they are squeezed out of the better paying, more prestigious teaching jobs.

Get qualified and it doesn't matter where you end up, you'll get paid!
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Hod



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don�t have strong opinions on this, but I notice an earlier poster (600+ posts, joined 2003) advised he didn�t see the benefits of an MA in Europe and also stated that nobody had asked for proof of his DELTA qualification.

For teachers wishing to remain in the EU, are further qualifications really beneficial for one's finances?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an MA TESL/TEFL and worked for six years at a European university where the qualification 1. meant that I got hired and 2. had a job with a very decent wage and benefit package.

I was sometimes involved in hiring there, and also worked with partner universities throughout Europe on projects. In my experience, if one wants university work, an MA is near-necessary. Universities obviously provide the more decent wage/benefits packages.

So far as a DELTA, all the DOSs' I know have them, both at private language schools and at training centres. Again, these are the career-level jobs that pay better than private language schools will every pay newbies.
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Enigma2011



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:

From what I pick up about Europe here, it's k;ind of like Latin America: you go there for the lifestyle, not the money.


I hear this a lot, the lifestyle yet most of the adults I teach have the same lifestyle one would find in the States and other 1st world countries, people working all of the time with no time for family or self. Lifestyles require money.
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Enigma2011



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiganer wrote:

if you want the decent money in this sector then get the qualifications and the money will follow.


Please give some examples of the qualifications you're talking about. An MA in TESOL? CELTA and DELTA as well? For anyone in Latin America, have these qualifications helped you and if so, how much do you make a month, ball park figure.
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Enigma2011



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiganer wrote:

Get qualified and it doesn't matter where you end up, you'll get paid!


Really? Examples from anyone in Latin America, specifically Mexico? You may get paid in the middle east, S.Korea or Japan but how much more will one REALLY make in Mexico with an MA in TESOL or the CELTA??

How much do you get a month (ball park figure) and where are you teaching amigo??
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spanglish



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can do pretty well in Colombia - decent jobs for native speaking, CELTA grads will pay $1200-$1800/month with vacation and benefits - you can even make that with an entry level IH job if you can get a few private students.
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wiganer



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enigma2011 wrote:
wiganer wrote:

if you want the decent money in this sector then get the qualifications and the money will follow.


Please give some examples of the qualifications you're talking about. An MA in TESOL? CELTA and DELTA as well? For anyone in Latin America, have these qualifications helped you and if so, how much do you make a month, ball park figure.


I have been quite explicit, read my post again and you will see BA/MA TESOL.
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wiganer



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enigma2011 wrote:
wiganer wrote:

Get qualified and it doesn't matter where you end up, you'll get paid!


Really? Examples from anyone in Latin America, specifically Mexico? You may get paid in the middle east, S.Korea or Japan but how much more will one REALLY make in Mexico with an MA in TESOL or the CELTA??

How much do you get a month (ball park figure) and where are you teaching amigo??


You are in Mexico - so tell us how much you can make in Mexico with a MA TESOL?

I wouldn't work in Mexico anyway, amigo. Rolling Eyes
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Perilla



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally speaking, to get the best paid jobs anywhere, you need either:

1. Qualified teacher status (PGCE/PGDE/BEd etc.) for proper international schools and good secondary/primary schools etc.

or

2. TESOL master's degree (or similar) and/or a PhD for the top university posts.

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Enigma2011



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiganer wrote:

You are in Mexico - so tell us how much you can make in Mexico with a MA TESOL?

I wouldn't work in Mexico anyway, amigo. Rolling Eyes


Not sure, I'm still working on my MA. Why wouldn't you work in Mexico, wig? The low wages that are a constant here??
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Enigma2011



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiganer wrote:

I have been quite explicit, read my post again and you will see BA/MA TESOL.


Sorry about that wig.
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