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TeresaLopez
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Location: Mexico City
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Religion as well as race are protected under equal employment laws. They can ask and use it to exclude you (if you wont answer them they will know you are not a Christian), but they cannot admit that is why they did it.
It is not a law related to federal funding. It is the law. |
Oh yes they can. I taught in a Catholic school, and when they had applicants ask why they weren�t hired, they would be told it was because they were not Catholic. Race is far different from religion. You can�t change your race. I think it is reasonable for a Catholic school to require all the teachers to be Catholic, because most parents send their kids to a Catholic school to get a Catholic education, and how can a non-Catholic do that? I would be very uncomfortable if my son had a non-Catholic teacher, as a parent. |
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johnslat
Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Tee-hee
I taught religion (among other subjects) at a Catholic school here in Santa Fe, and I'm an agnostic (I was, of course, a "closet agnostic" during my tenure there.) |
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Trinley
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| most parents send their kids to a Catholic school to get a Catholic education, and how can a non-Catholic do that? |
The job is for a language teacher though. It's not a Bible class. Unless they expect the teacher to thread Christian ideology into ESL lesson plans, it really doesn't relate to the class at all. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003
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Location: home sweet home
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, they do have a right to ask for personal faith statements or even recommendations from your local pastor. I worked at a very Catholic uni for two years and a very Catholic HS for 1.5 years. I wasn't asked for either of these docs, but I was asked to adher to certain standards, like no live in boyfriend, no excess drinking, etc. IN fact, in the uni, my husband and I weren't allowed to live together since we hadn't gotten married in the church and I had off campus housing.
Keep in mind that you may be asked to go to religious functions. I had to stop class at noon and say the Angelus, go to Mass, and attend spiritual retreats. If you're not comfotable with that, be forewarned that this might be part of the package. |
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TeresaLopez
Joined: 18 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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The job is for a language teacher though. It's not a Bible class. Unless they expect the teacher to thread Christian ideology into ESL lesson plans, it really doesn't relate to the class at all. |
Depending on the grade level, I think it can. Lots of teachers bring their own agenda into the classroom, whether they know it or not, and it can be reflected in the assignments they give, comments they make, etc. I agree with you that it is possible, but I think many Catholic schools (Lutheran schools too, from what I have seen) just think it is easier not avoid the whole issue. It would never occur to me to apply to teach in a fundamentalist Christian school, no matter what the subject, not that they would hire me anyway, because I have a worldview that is vastly different than they do, and would find it very difficult to answer certain questionsthe children might ask in a way that would be acceptable to them. I think it would also depend on the grade level. I taught a Spanish class once in a Jewish Community Center, and the topic of religion was touched on, and I was asked not to go into too much detail when teaching about religious based holidays in Latin America, and I was fine with that. It�s amazing how religion can really creep into almost any topic. |
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johnslat
Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Dear TeresaLopez,
It certainly can:
"Should the word god be capitalized in the phrases god-forsaken or by god?
Answer: The Chicago Manual of Style recommends that "like all proper nouns, the names of the one supreme God . . . as well as the names of other deities are capitalized."
In the phrases you are asking about, however, the reference to God is rather casual, and there are those who would deny that such phrases refer to the one supreme God at all. Lowercasing God in such phrases is an attempt to obscure the reference to God.
The problem, of course, is that such phrases are possible violations of the Third Commandment, which proscribes taking the name of the Lord in vain. The question before us is whether it is possible to fool God with capitalization tricks. The Grammar Hotline is not qualified to answer this question.
I will say, however, that the English language has a rich tradition of Third Commandment evasions. Capitalization decisions are the least sneaky of these. Such words as gee, gosh, golly, by criminy, egad, gadzooks (I especially like gadzooks) are all curses mangled to finesse the Third Commandment.
But I suppose you'd like a definite answer. Go ahead and capitalize, and the Devil take the hindmost."
http://www.ncsu.edu/ncsu/grammar/Capital3.html
Gerard Manley Hopkins thought so in "Carrion Comfort"
Of now done darkness I wretch lay wrestling with (my God!) my God.
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TeresaLopez
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Johnslat,
Your comments made me laugh out loud. But I don�t really believe in black and white, I think there are probably some people who could teach in some kinds of religious schools and do just fine, whereas others couldn�t stop themselves from verbalizing positions contrary to that religion�s beliefs. |
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johnslat
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Dear TeresaLopez,
Well, when I was teaching religion at that parochial school, a lot of my lessons were devoted to "comparative religion" and to "moral dilemmas."
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John |
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gaijinalways
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| Well, when I was teaching religion at that parochial school, a lot of my lessons were devoted to "comparative religion" and to "moral dilemmas." |
Yes, it sounds like your 'dilemma' would be whether to share your view of religion with young and inquiring minds. Teaching students versus simply influencing (or trying to influence) students are always separated by a thin line (perhaps an ethical one, though sometimes it can become a legal one). |
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