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interviews in Shanghai- no ready, what do I say?
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buzzing



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:02 pm    Post subject: interviews in Shanghai- no ready, what do I say? Reply with quote

I applied to a number of schools in Shanghai and have some responses, not sure what to do, I initially wanted to go there and work soon, but my long term career I want to be in Britain, but I haven't been here long enough to get everything sorted out, and am wondering if or when I will leave or even if I should leave. What do i say to these language schools who are asking me for interviews? I may want the job in the future, I just don't know!
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Beyond1984



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:40 am    Post subject: No ready Shanghai! Reply with quote

"not sure what to do, I initially wanted to go... I may want the job in the future, I just don't know!" -buzzing

Just tell them you don't know if your're coming or going! Embarassed

Seriously, you could try to arrange video interviews, and if a job offer comes through you can either accept it or try to postpone your start date while you sort things out in Britain (or is it England? the UK)?

You'd like the food in China better than English (British? UK?) cookery. Cool

-HDT
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buzzing



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah maybe just do the phone interviews, probably on skype, you don't have the job until then anyway right? I just don't know what to say if they say so can you start right away? Shall I be honest and say i have things to sort out in Britain? What to do? I hope the ladies are easier to meet there as well. I am trying to improve my chances of getting on a PGCE (teacher training course), but it is a real uphill struggle, I am running out of money, but want to ultimately be in Britain. I can apply from China, but an't do courses or get the experience which will make my application look good.
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Beyond1984



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

" I just don't know what to say if they say so can you start right away?" -Buzzing

Even if they send you your invitation letter tomorrow, which you will use to apply for your Z visa, chances are good that they won't expect you to start until after the Lantern Festival, the closing of Spring Festival (2/17). It's more likely that they would suggest a March 1 start date.

If you're running out of money and can't find a job in Merry Ol', it seems that you'd better set your sights on China. And yes, you could probably get a date here. Cool

-HDT

Is there some problem meeting native speaking ladies in England? Confused

If you're not a EU citizen (and particularly if you're from Homeland), your chance of legally teaching English to the English are Slim to None, and Slim has left town. Rolling Eyes
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buzzing



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I am a Brit, so EU. Not much money on teaching English here. But this where I ultimately want to be. I am doing work experience and courses to see what i can do and improve my chances on an application form.
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Kysorb



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't come. Stay home.

Your previous posts here show you as a flake.

You wont be able to handle it and you will be running back home within 3 months..
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TexasHighway



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you reveal your hesitancy to prospective employers, it is doubtful they will take you seriously. You might want to come teach on a short-term contract and then return home to pursue your career goals. You just need to be decisive about it. There is nothing wrong with feeling torn. I have been at this for years and am still torn between my home country and China.

"Life is what happens to you while you are busy making other plans." - John Lennon
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP
You entered the job market, have applied and are being taken at your word.
Isn't it time you stood up?
Accept a job if offered. Do the contract and at least you will have something worthwhile in your CV.
Aplogies if this is is a flame, but we so many grizzles about feckless Chinese employers and little on job seekers of the same ilk. This thread is one of them.
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clownshow



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Accept a job if offered. Do the contract and at least you will have something worthwhile in your CV.


It is doubtful that any experience teaching an ESL course would be perceived as worthwhile to the British employment environment.

Remember, an application is only an inquiry, an opportunity to "suss" the situation an decide if you and the employer wants the process to continue. If they ask if you can start right away, politely inform them of your need for time to secure transport and to settle employment matters as well as financial safeguards. If they really want you and not just a body they possibly will try and negotiate an advantage to convince you to come earlier than you want, and perhaps it is only a matter of this incentive that will tilt the scale. If they just want a warm body they will insist, often times kind of rudely, and you can just play them along. After all this is a negotiation and as such should be played along the lines of actions of the business culture in China. This business culture in China gives them a big advantage as it often contains with in its arsenal, lies, misdirections, unlikely promises and the like. If they start pulling these kinds of encouragement, it may be time to close down the negotiations and look for another more amicable employer.
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buzzing



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well China is not my long term goal- that is here in the UK, just wanted to go to make some cash and apply from there. of course being here is better for my applications- can do more appropriate courses, experience etc- china would just be for the cash and ladies and adventure- no real long term plan. Shall I do the interview anyway?
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clownshow



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did and ended up with a job from a British School, under a British contract. What started as a simple inquiry to satisfy my curiosity became long term employment.
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Zero



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

buzzing wrote:
Well China is not my long term goal- that is here in the UK, just wanted to go to make some cash and apply from there. of course being here is better for my applications- can do more appropriate courses, experience etc- china would just be for the cash and ladies and adventure- no real long term plan. Shall I do the interview anyway?


Sounds like you need to stay in Britain.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree.
There is nothing that you could learn from a China experience except maybe exposure to a different culture in a country that is the fastest growing economy in the world, ability to perform no matter what, because your students expect it, language skills, working alongside colleagues from other countries as an expat and I suspect just being employed.
Nope! Can't see a single thing that would be of use when applying for a job in UK.
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buzzing



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well anyway, what do I tell these companies who I sent my CV to? I want to stay in with them cos in the future I may want to go there, maybe next month, maybe two months maybe next year I don't know. But I think keeping a good relationship is important. Shall I just do the interviews and inquire about the job. Is that worse if i do that then reject them or delay things than telling them something by e-mail now. I can't keep ignoring their mails!
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TexasHighway



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be upfront and tell them you need some time and would they please consider you in the future? If they go through the bother of interviewing you and then you back out, they'll think you aren't taking them seriously and they'll treat you the same way.
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