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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 2236
Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| just_a_mirage wrote: |
| Well if you are happy then, thats great. Everyone is different. And I think its great that you are happy and wealthy. Not everyone needs a ton of money to be happy. I could have it if I wanted. But at this point in my life, I dont. Im much happier volunteering with the very poor here in Ecuador, than I was when I got paid a lot. |
I am not "wealthy" but perhaps by the standards of the developing world, I am.
Having money means that one can do even more to help the poor and needy. Just look at Bill Gates.
Good feelings and deeds won't pay the bills, provide a financial cushion or help when it's time to retire.
I don't plan on being 70 or 80 and having to teach EFL so I can buy food.
If you are happy, fine with me. Don't knock me just cause I choose to make better pay and benefits while doing what I love anyways, esp. compared to EFL which I never loved doing, it was just some gig for a while, not a life-long career. |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: Lifers |
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| MotherF wrote: |
| TeresaLopez wrote: |
| For one thing, how many middle class people do you know in the US who have household help? Just to name one difference. |
Thank you Teresa. Or own their car outright? Have no credit card debt? Eat out all the time? Travel frequently? |
First, people in the US don't hire full-time maids because we don't have live-in quasi-slaves that pick up after us. Even maids are entitled to rights and legal wages in the US. The whole muchacha thing DISGUSTS me.
Women and girls from the lower classes are forced to accept a life of menial work with no chance to ever get ahead and often being forced to work 7 days a week. Many of them are abused, including being overworked, underpaid, beaten, even raped.
BTW I own my car, I have no CC debt and I eat out as much as like and I get PAID to travel. |
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MotherF
Joined: 07 Jun 2010
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Location: 17�48'N 97�46'W
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Prof we're talking about teachers here.
You refuse to tell us what you do, but you've made it perfectly clear that you are not a teacher. People like Teresa and I are teachers. No matter where we lived we'd be teachers. |
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TeresaLopez
Joined: 18 Apr 2010
Posts: 601
Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Lifers |
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And prof needs to update his ideas on uni profs pay. The very low end of the scale for full time is around 15,000 now. It is unfortunate that most universities put their English teachers at the low end. Professors teaching other subjects and doing research can expect to earn 20,000 to 30,000 a month. |
I know one university professor who has only a Master�s Degree and earns enough to travel to Europe once a year, and send his daughter to an elite private school. <his wife does not work. I think there are some people on here who search high and low to find the lowest paying jobs to post here. I am sure they also encounter decent paying jobs, but skip over those. And 20,000 pesos goes a loooooonnnnggggg way in Mexico |
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Isla Guapa
Joined: 19 Apr 2010
Posts: 1520
Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
Having money means that one can do even more to help the poor and needy. Just look at Bill Gates. . . .
If you are happy, fine with me. Don't knock me just cause I choose to make better pay and benefits while doing what I love anyways, esp. compared to EFL which I never loved doing, it was just some gig for a while, not a life-long career. |
How are you doing your share to help the poor and needy?
If you never liked teaching and now have a fabulous job that brings in gobs of money, why do you continue to post here? |
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TeresaLopez
Joined: 18 Apr 2010
Posts: 601
Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Lifers |
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| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
First, people in the US don't hire full-time maids because we don't have live-in quasi-slaves that pick up after us. Even maids are entitled to rights and legal wages in the US. The whole muchacha thing DISGUSTS me.
Women and girls from the lower classes are forced to accept a life of menial work with no chance to ever get ahead and often being forced to work 7 days a week. Many of them are abused, including being overworked, underpaid, beaten, even raped.
BTW I own my car, I have no CC debt and I eat out as much as like and I get PAID to travel. |
Again with the negativity. I am not saying it doesn�t happen (it happens in the US, too, do a quick search on the internet), but I think it is far less common than you make it out to be. I have a former student who pays his maid $250 pesos a day for 6 hours work, she lives in, and he paid for her daughter�s High School and College education. In my case, I paid for our former housekeeper�s daughter to take a data entry course - that was her choice, I would have paid for something else. Our current help works about 4 or 5 hours a day,between us, my brother in law and sister in law, he gets room and board, and $1000 pesos a week. There are lots of people everywhere who have little to no chance to get ahead. I don�t think that is as true in Mexico City, where there are lots of free programs for continueing education. But many people choose not to avail themselves of opportunities. Whose fault is that? I don�t feel guilty for a minute having help. I treat him with dignity and he is paid more than he is worth, truth be told. |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 2236
Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:09 pm Post subject: Oh, how easy we forget! |
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| MotherF wrote: |
Prof we're talking about teachers here.
You refuse to tell us what you do, but you've made it perfectly clear that you are not a teacher. People like Teresa and I are teachers. No matter where we lived we'd be teachers. |
Always selective.
I have taught EFL for six years in Mexico and been posting on this forum a LONG time.
EFL is unskilled teaching.
How else can a person get an online cert and become a teacher?
Or take a weekend course and become a teacher?
Or do a four week course and become a teacher?
As for getting a masters and all that, I don't see the payoff in Mexico.
Like I said, I was making $20,000 pesos a month with a TEFL cert. I was hired part-time (which was all I really wanted with a payrate of about $200 pesos an hour in the prepa) I took extra hours that a female teacher from Canada left when she quit mid-semester when it turned out her degree in education didn't prepare her for an EFL career teaching in Mexican colegios.
So, getting an advanced degree may get one more pay, but it's not a given and I fail to see the payback for a $25,000 (or more) MA program in Mexico or Latin America.
Might as well just take a TKT course, it's a whole lot cheaper and quicker. 
And I am just moving outta teaching. I'll soon join the proud ranks of EFL school owners and TEFL course trainers. I can't wait to pass all my years of EFL wisdom on to the next crop of "4 week-wonder" teachers.
(Reminds me of the 90 day wonders that went through OCS and came out as a newly minted 2nd Lt) |
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mejms
Joined: 04 Jan 2010
Posts: 390
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Different forum, same old topic.
Let it be made clear (once again).
If you want to make very good money, don't become a teacher.
If you want to be make very good money, don't relocate to Mexico.
In short, if you want to make big bucks, don't become a teacher in Mexico. QED.
I agree that there are very low standards in education across the board in Mexico and elsewhere. It's a shame. You do have to be selective if you want to find a decent-paying, stable, professional place of employment. Not every school on the street corner is going to value you. That's life.
This thread has become almost identical to countless others. Take it over to the China thread for once. Be more creative, people. Geez. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003
Posts: 9041
Location: home sweet home
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| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:45 am Post subject: Re: Oh, how easy we forget! |
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| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
Might as well just take a TKT course, it's a whole lot cheaper and quicker.
And I am just moving outta teaching. I'll soon join the proud ranks of EFL school owners and TEFL course trainers. I can't wait to pass all my years of EFL wisdom on to the next crop of "4 week-wonder" teachers. |
From what I understand TKT Is more for non-native teachers.
Good luck to you opening a school, just hope it's not a franchise like the ones that are popping up all over the place with different websites names that are the same company.
If you DO go with a franchise, do CELTA, Trinity, or SIT (though I'm sure they're not a franchise, I just can't think of the word at the moment)
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| (Reminds me of the 90 day wonders that went through OCS and came out as a newly minted 2nd Lt) |
Our country at work! |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 2236
Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:29 am Post subject: Re: Oh, how easy we forget! |
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| naturegirl321 wrote: |
| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
Might as well just take a TKT course, it's a whole lot cheaper and quicker.
And I am just moving outta teaching. I'll soon join the proud ranks of EFL school owners and TEFL course trainers. I can't wait to pass all my years of EFL wisdom on to the next crop of "4 week-wonder" teachers. |
From what I understand TKT Is more for non-native teachers.
Good luck to you opening a school, just hope it's not a franchise like the ones that are popping up all over the place with different websites names that are the same company.
If you DO go with a franchise, do CELTA, Trinity, or SIT (though I'm sure they're not a franchise, I just can't think of the word at the moment)
| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
| (Reminds me of the 90 day wonders that went through OCS and came out as a newly minted 2nd Lt) |
Our country at work! |
I was being sarcastic about getting the TKT as I have said all along (and as some refuse to understand) is a non-native speaker designed test and that a CELTA trumps the TKT ANYDAY! |
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