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Hod
Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Posts: 1613 Location: Home
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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One or two teachers I know do the maths as follows:
January earnings: 4000 Bong (made up currency, as far as I know)
February earnings: 4003 Bong
March earnings: 3997 Bong
Annual earnings: easy, 48000 Bong
But with language-learning adults in Europe, for example, getting 30 days holiday (and loads of sick pay), what really happens is:
June earnings: 1000 Bong
July earnings: 500 Bong
August earnings: 107 Bong
This isn�t the Poland section, but that country is the perfect example for some Bong.
I know a teacher there, in Warsaw, and visit loads. This time of year, he hangs out with all his teacher mates. Come the summer, though, where have they all gone? Gone to UK summer schools every one. The schools in Warsaw are all shut.
That shouldn�t affect the freelancer, right?
There�s a reason why these Poland schools close, and I�d hazard a guess it�s not financially viable to open in summer.
I�m not doubting PierogiMonster�s 33 hours average, but that�s quite a workload. Cancellations, holidays and sickies will take chunks out of that 33. I�d be curious to know how many more hours he must do to balance things and maintain the 33-hour average. |
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Hod
Joined: 28 Apr 2003 Posts: 1613 Location: Home
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: Europe-not a living wage to be found. |
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| side note: wallpaper = 2 associates, 3 bachelors, a masters and ABD - all from accredited, western universities. |
Gosh, that's impressive. Well done. |
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smithrn1983
Joined: 23 Jul 2010 Posts: 320 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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I�m not doubting PierogiMonster�s 33 hours average, but that�s quite a workload. Cancellations, holidays and sickies will take chunks out of that 33. I�d be curious to know how many more hours he must do to balance things and maintain the 33-hour average. |
I can't speak for PierogiMonster, but when I was in CR, I maintained 33 or so hours on my schedule every week. With cancellations taken into account, that number usually dropped to 29-30 on average. It can be done, but requires good time management skills, and you have to have lessons planned well in advance. Planning each individual lesson the day of would have really eaten into my schedule, but planning all of my lessons for the week at one time cut down on prep time, and led to better lessons for my students.
Summer and the holidays in Europe in general represent a bit of a problem financially, but being single and eating most of my meals at home, I had no problems dealing with a few months of the year with little or no income. I did teach at summer camps, but not so much out of financial necessity as out of a need not to sit on my arse for three months. |
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PierogiMonster
Joined: 17 Jun 2010 Posts: 148
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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Yup, that's about it: organisation, careful planning and minimal travelling: get them to come to you. That''s why I rent a flat in the centre. It's a little more expensive but it sure does help bringing in the privates.
Actually, if all my students came every week it'd be something like 37 or 38 contact hours, spread over six days. Basically, I overbook, knowing that I'll never have a full week. If I do and it presents a problem, I can always cancel a session or two, if required. |
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jonniboy
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 751 Location: Panama City, Panama
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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33 hours is doable.
Last year I did 35-40 hour weeks every week November through March except holiday weeks. Record was 44.75 hours. 6.75 hours on the Saturday and 1 hour on the Sunday. The weather's crap then so I figured I might as well save up some cash and take it easy in Summer and that's exactly what I did.
It's dropped off this year down to 30 but that's still enough to save a bit. |
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PC Parrot
Joined: 11 Dec 2009 Posts: 459 Location: Moral Police Station
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Having been holidaying in Europe (the only way I can be there until I've saved enough to be able to afford to work there) I missed this gem of a post:
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English teachers for Adult/Kids/Young Learners courses urgently required from October 2010 to May 2011 with possible extension.5 years teaching experience.CELTA or equivalent,plus plenty of enthusiasm and passion for your job.Willing to learn new teaching practices.Some knowledge of Italian preferred.
650 euros net pay per month.30 hours per week.Overtime paid after 30 hours |
This is Eu5 an hour for a job that requires a lot of effort and prep. How much do cleaners get paid in Italy? |
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BenE

Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 321
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:22 am Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure I got paid a similar amount working as a campsite helper for 3 hrs a day cleaning some tents and getting drunk back in 2004.
No quals required except some 'enthusiasm' |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Hod wrote: |
One or two teachers I know do the maths as follows:
January earnings: 4000 Bong (made up currency, as far as I know)
February earnings: 4003 Bong
March earnings: 3997 Bong
Annual earnings: easy, 48000 Bong
But with language-learning adults in Europe, for example, getting 30 days holiday (and loads of sick pay), what really happens is:
June earnings: 1000 Bong
July earnings: 500 Bong
August earnings: 107 Bong
This isn�t the Poland section, but that country is the perfect example for some Bong.
I know a teacher there, in Warsaw, and visit loads. This time of year, he hangs out with all his teacher mates. Come the summer, though, where have they all gone? Gone to UK summer schools every one. The schools in Warsaw are all shut.
That shouldn�t affect the freelancer, right?
There�s a reason why these Poland schools close, and I�d hazard a guess it�s not financially viable to open in summer.
I�m not doubting PierogiMonster�s 33 hours average, but that�s quite a workload. Cancellations, holidays and sickies will take chunks out of that 33. I�d be curious to know how many more hours he must do to balance things and maintain the 33-hour average. |
My problem was I took all my Bongs and hit them...too mang Bong hits and I didn't make it to class on Monday  |
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artemisia

Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 875 Location: the world
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Prof Gringo:
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My problem was I took all my Bongs and hit them...too mang Bong hits and I didn't make it to class on Monday. |
I�m sure you were still there .. in a spiritual sense... with your students!
Hod:
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| I know a teacher there, in Warsaw, and visit loads. This time of year, he hangs out with all his teacher mates. Come the summer, though, where have they all gone? Gone to UK summer schools every one. The schools in Warsaw are all shut. |
Where have all the teachers gone?
Long time passing.
Where have all the teachers gone?
Long time ago.
Come the summer, though, where have they all gone?
Gone to UK summer schools every one.
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Perhaps the time has come to compose �The TEFL song�. (It could be a Lament or perhaps something along heavy metal lines? �Days gone Bong�??). |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| Perhaps the time has come to compose �The TEFL song�. (It could be a Lament or perhaps something along heavy metal lines? �Days gone Bong�??). |
Okay- finish the lyrics up and I'll get a guitar part together for it!
Justin |
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artemisia

Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 875 Location: the world
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:21 am Post subject: |
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Good stuff Justin! Even better � I see you already have your kitty wired for sound.
I�m now leaning more towards an anthem type song with some rousing refrains. I think this would be just the thing. As well as belting it out on my way to work each day, I could even � should a particularly unusual burst of enthusiasm come over me � share the unimaginable joy of it with my students!
I�m working on it. |
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the_otter
Joined: 02 Aug 2010 Posts: 134
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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If you're talking about TEFL anthems, then Days of Forty-Nine has clear rip-off potential.
Chorus: In the days run dry, in the days gone by,
How often I repine
For the days gone by when we drank Europe dry
In the days of eighty-nine.
There was Disco Jay in St Tropez
He was always getting high
And every time that he shroomed out
He forgot he couldn't fly.
One day he climbed the old church tower
Shrieked 'There is no supine!'
Dropped like a stone and then lay prone
In the days of eighty-nine. |
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artemisia

Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 875 Location: the world
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm, definitely got potential. A Lament then, with an accompanying suitably dour and earnest expression. I guess a TEFL: The Musical! extravaganza is out.  |
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