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Violence/Drug Wars/Safety(Includes Guadalajara-U.S. Warning)
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Guy Courchesne



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Not drugs related at all.


But they used grenades...that's not your average drinking dispute. Of course it's cartel related.
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gregd75



Joined: 14 Mar 2007
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Location: Tlaquepaque, Jalisco
PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just quoting the police.

And my point being that we can't start living in fear.
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Prof.Gringo



Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
gregd75 wrote:
Just quoting the police.

And my point being that we can't start living in fear.


And if we can't even own guns legally or use them in self-defense while killing sprees, kidnappings and armed robberies are daily common events in Mexico, sounds like fear to me.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
the peanut gallery wrote:
"....ALSO - why doesn't the U.S accept that in the VAST MAJORITY of these incidents, the bad guys are using U.S sourced weapons? ....."


Completely incorrect! Looks like the 90 percent myth snagged another one.


GREAT POINT!
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
gregd75 wrote:
I'd much rather drive in Guadalajara at night than drive in Los Angeles or say Washington D.C at night.

And let's face it... if the U.S could seriously do something about their huge consumption of drugs then this would all be academic.

I love the way U.S news agencies blow things out of proportion.


I'll take LA or DC over Mexico DF ANYDAY!

The PRI was involved in a big way with the cartels for years. If Mexico's govt and security forces were not so corrupted, this problem would never have gotten so out of control in Mexico and by extension, the USA.

When more are killed in Mexico in one year than in some countries that are in an official state of war, I would call that being right in proportion to the reality of the situation.
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fladude



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hand grenades are not sold in the US.

The AK-47s I see on the news are normally Chinese (and yes I can tell the difference). Those are not coming from the US, since the import of Chinese rifles has been banned since the early 90s. The semi-auto AKs sold in the US today are Romanian and Russian. Guns like RPKs, PPKs (belt fed machine guns) hand grenades and rocket launchers are not coming from the US. While I am sure that some guns are coming from the US, especially handguns, even if we stopped selling guns in America tomorrow someone else would fill the void. Money talks and there are plenty of countries which make and export guns including countries in South America and Asia.

Personally I would prefer to be armed rather than just having armed criminals around.

Anyway I just stopped in looking for a CELTA course in Mexico for this summer. Very Happy
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It always amazes me how people seem to love to talk about, and have "expert" knowledge of, all kinds of weapons.

What is the fascination? They have no place in my world.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Anyway I just stopped in looking for a CELTA course in Mexico for this summer.


Grenades, AKs, and CELTA...Mexico has it all. Wink

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When more are killed in <insert country here> in one year than in some countries that are in an official state of war, I would call that being right in proportion to the reality of the situation.


And if we put the US in that quote and saw it was still true, would your opinion hold I wonder?
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
fladude wrote:
Hand grenades are not sold in the US.

The AK-47s I see on the news are normally Chinese (and yes I can tell the difference). Those are not coming from the US, since the import of Chinese rifles has been banned since the early 90s. The semi-auto AKs sold in the US today are Romanian and Russian. Guns like RPKs, PPKs (belt fed machine guns) hand grenades and rocket launchers are not coming from the US. While I am sure that some guns are coming from the US, especially handguns, even if we stopped selling guns in America tomorrow someone else would fill the void. Money talks and there are plenty of countries which make and export guns including countries in South America and Asia.

Personally I would prefer to be armed rather than just having armed criminals around.

Anyway I just stopped in looking for a CELTA course in Mexico for this summer. Very Happy


Good post!

Thanks.

I also have some knowledge when it comes to firearms and weapons systems.

I would also feel much safer if I could keep some firepower around the house and in my car. I always kept it simple and just opted for a 12-gauge shotgun.