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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:01 am Post subject: SUPPORT TRADE UNIONS/WORKER RIGHTS! |
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ITF calls for action on workers' rights in Mexico (2/14)
The International Transportation Workers' Federation (IFT) has called upon its affiliates and other allies to support its week of actions drawing attention to deplorable labor conditions in Mexico.
Below is a press release circulated by the ITF.
Calling for trade union rights in Mexico, the international trade union movement began a week of action by meeting with the Mexican Ambassador to the United Nations and holding a rally in Geneva, Switzerland today.
Similar actions are scheduled to take place in at least 30 countries around the world until February 19, which coincides with the fifth anniversary of the deaths of 65 miners at the Pasta de Conchos mine disaster in Mexico on February 19, 2006.
Since this time the Mexican Miners� Union, the union that called for justice following the disaster, has faced systematic, frequently violent and escalating violations of worker and trade union rights by employers and the Mexican government.
Other independent trade unions in Mexico seeking to improve the rights of working people have also increasingly come under attack in recent years through the tolerance, complicity and, on many occasions, the direct action of the Mexican state.
A delegation of international trade union leaders, accompanied by a representative of the Swiss union UNIA, met with the Mexican Ambassador in Geneva this afternoon and demanded the Mexican government stop violating fundamental trade union rights and start complying with its own laws and international standards on human and trade union rights.
�It is now five years since 65 miners were killed in the February 19, 2006 explosion at the Grupo M�xico Pasta de Conchos coal mine. To this day, bereaved families have not received proper compensation, the miners� bodies remain buried and violent and illegal attacks perpetrated by the Government and employers against the Mexican Miners� Union continue,� explained Fernando Lopes, Assistant General Secretary of the International Metalworkers� Federation, a member of the delegation to the embassy in Geneva today.
�The political persecution of the Mexican Miners� Unions and others like it must stop,� demanded Lopes.
Independent unions including the Mexican Miners' Union (SNTMMSRM), the Mexican Electrical Workers' Union (SME), the UNTyPP union representing workers in Mexico's state-owned petroleum company PEMEX, the National Union of General Tyre Workers of Mexico (SNTGTM) and the Union of the Autonomous University of Mexico's Workers (SUTUACM), as well as the Mexican Telephone Workers' Union (STRM), Authentic Workers' Front (FAT) and up to thirty other unions affiliated to the National Union of Workers (UNT) have all faced violent attacks, intimidation and repression of trade union rights.
Supporting the campaign, Joe de Bruyn, President of the UNI Global Union explains, "For decades the Mexican government has facilitated low wages and suppressed worker voices through a pervasive web of employer-controlled protection contracts. We want to change the rules of the game in Mexico and ensure all workers can join the free and independent trade union movement.�
�Calderon must begin to understand that trade union freedoms in Mexico will not disappear, no matter how hard he tries to ignore it,� said ICEM President Senzeni Zokwana, also supporting the week of action. �Global trade unions in fact are now keenly united on Mexico as a target for vast improvements on social labour rights. Momentum and pressure now become our tools.�
David Cockroft, ITF General Secretary, added, "We have witnessed at first hand the deep running desire of Mexicans for representation and just and safe workplaces. The will and the need are there; it is actions like these ones that now take this struggle forward."
�Mexico must fulfill its international obligations to respect fundamental workers� rights. The treatment of the Mexican Miners� Union is a symptom of a much broader problem of violation of ILO standards in Mexico, and the fact that proper compensation still has not been paid is simply unacceptable,� said ITUC General Secretary Sharan Burrow.
Trade unions in Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Korea, Kosovo, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Peru, Poland, Russia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom and the U.S. are calling on the Mexican government to respect trade union rights in a series of actions from 14 to 19 February 2011.
In Mexico itself, the independent trade union movement will be holding various actions across the country throughout the week to highlight the systematic abuse of trade union rights by the Mexican government.
Together the trade unions are holding rallies, meeting with Mexican government representatives, and sending letters and thousands of emails all calling on the Mexican government to:
1. Hold employer and government officials accountable for the Pasta de Conchos mine explosion that killed 65 miners on February 19, 2006.
2. Abolish systemic violations of workers� freedom of association, including employer-dominated �protection contracts� and interference in union elections.
3. End the use of force�by the state or private parties�to repress workers� legitimate demands for democratic unions, better wages and working conditions, and good health and safety conditions.
4. End the campaign of political persecution against the Mexican Miners� Union and the Mexican Electrical Workers� Union.
The action to support the democratic and independent unions in Mexico is being taken by trade unions around the world affiliated to the International Metalworkers� Federation (IMF), the International Federation of Chemical, Energy, Mine and General Workers' Unions (ICEM), the International Transport Workers' Federation (ITF), UNI Global Union and the International Trade Union Confederation (ITUC). |
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Phil_K
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:27 am Post subject: |
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...and the point is? For we teachers? |
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Prof.Gringo

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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:34 am Post subject: |
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Phil_K wrote: |
...and the point is? For we teachers? |
Time for a TEFL Union in Mexico  |
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Phil_K
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:36 am Post subject: |
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No, thank you. |
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Prof.Gringo

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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:40 am Post subject: |
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I'll take big labor over big business ANYDAY. |
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tideout
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:58 am Post subject: |
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Prof.Gringo wrote: |
Phil_K wrote: |
...and the point is? For we teachers? |
Time for a TEFL Union in Mexico  |
Of course it's a bigger ESL market with more teachers but they recently started a ESL teachers union here in South Korea. Sorry I don't know the details.
It's not a simple issue for me. I've been a union organizer and fought 2x for a union and 2x's against corrupt unions.
In the end - I'm for everyday working people. Nice to see people fighting for what they believe in and not just passively sitting by.
All things being equal (which they usually aren't) labor over business anyday. |
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gregd75
Joined: 14 Mar 2007 Posts: 360 Location: Tlaquepaque, Jalisco
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Well... My school has a trade union. I have to pay a significant amount of money.
What do I get for it?
A visit once a year to remind me to pay up for the next year and didly squat.
Nothing. They don't talk to the employees (supposedly their members), they don't share the benefits that they offer their members.
Absolutely nothing.
I, as an employer, am not against Trade Unions, but firstly they should be selected by the workers and secondly they should actually do something to represent the workers.
It's all a con. |
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Prof.Gringo

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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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gregd75 wrote: |
Well... My school has a trade union. I have to pay a significant amount of money.
What do I get for it?
A visit once a year to remind me to pay up for the next year and didly squat.
Nothing. They don't talk to the employees (supposedly their members), they don't share the benefits that they offer their members.
Absolutely nothing.
I, as an employer, am not against Trade Unions, but firstly they should be selected by the workers and secondly they should actually do something to represent the workers.
It's all a con. |
That's your POV.
Trade Unions have done great things. And they continue to do so. |
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Prof.Gringo

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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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tideout wrote: |
Prof.Gringo wrote: |
Phil_K wrote: |
...and the point is? For we teachers? |
Time for a TEFL Union in Mexico  |
Of course it's a bigger ESL market with more teachers but they recently started a ESL teachers union here in South Korea. Sorry I don't know the details.
It's not a simple issue for me. I've been a union organizer and fought 2x for a union and 2x's against corrupt unions.
In the end - I'm for everyday working people. Nice to see people fighting for what they believe in and not just passively sitting by.
All things being equal (which they usually aren't) labor over business anyday. |
As a member of a Trade Union in the USA (AFL-CIO) I couldn't agree more  |
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Phil_K
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Well... My school has a trade union. I have to pay a significant amount of money.
What do I get for it?
A visit once a year to remind me to pay up for the next year and didly squat. |
Is that a closed shop? I seem to remember The Great Lady abolished those in the UK in the 1980s. Shame the rest of the world didn't follow suit. I remember reading about a Mexican trade union leader having about 15 luxury cars. Muy socialista. Champagne Socialists, just like everywhere. |
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gregd75
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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Phil- in my experience, the sindicatos here are closed shops.
They generally have agreements among them so as not to invade in each others spaces.
I'm not saying that I'm against a trade union, however, when you are a PyME then and additional costs are very hard to bear.
All I was trying to say is that unions here are not necessarily a good thing- I'll give you an example- in the contract that i MUST sign (if I don't then the union calls a huelga- even though the employees are still happy to work)- the contract says that I must provide heavy industrial boots for my employees.
This is just an example. |
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Phil_K
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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That's why I AM against unions.
1. As an employer, especially as a PYME, the owner/entrepreneur/manager should be looking to implement best practices in his employment strategy. Disputes, therefore, can be dealt with amicably, and interference from unions just gets in the way.
2. Unions tend to dictate ridiculous rules (the industrial boots), just to flex their muscles.
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I'll give you an example- in the contract that i MUST sign (if I don't then the union calls a huelga- even though the employees are still happy to work) |
Speaks for itself! |
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tideout
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:23 am Post subject: |
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I'm sorry to hear some of the unfair or even ridiculous issues generated out of the union. I've got a few of my own
There's an old expression in unions that unions (local/regional/national) are only as good as its membership. In some of these cases members really don't run the unions - they just have an added layer of power to the already existing owners/bosses etc.. Members should be able to vote in new leadership though I suspect union reform in Mexico is diffiult if not outright dangerous.
The flip side of this of course is w/o the union you could and maybe would have even worse conditions/pay/rights than you have now. Maybe not, but in many cases the unions didn't get formed out of nothing right? You may or may not know the history of how bad it was before you came into the picture.
Funny you mentioned the boots issue. In a job I did years ago we had to buy the uniform from a specific shop in the city which, coincidentally, was more expensive than another shop selling the same uniform at a much lower price. The city made it a requirement and the union never really fought it. Why? - corruption or kickback on the higher priced uniforms (both w/ city and the union leadership by the way!).
The members eventually voted the corrupt union out over numerous issues (who worked hand in hand w/ corrupt city officials) .
There are a lot of stories out there but in the end w/o workers having a real voice with some real power behind it you almost inevitably have worse conditions. |
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Phil_K
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:08 am Post subject: |
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I understand your point, but the problem with reform is that it can never be done piecemeal, it has to be integral. Unfortunately very few leaders have the stomach or will to do that. (Except the Great Lady herself, of course ) |
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tideout
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:03 am Post subject: |
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Phil_K wrote: |
I understand your point, but the problem with reform is that it can never be done piecemeal, it has to be integral. Unfortunately very few leaders have the stomach or will to do that. (Except the Great Lady herself, of course ) |
As you know, it's a big subject and debated heavily in many circles so I mean no big argument against anything other than cartoonish portrayals of the issue. Just to clarify, that comment's not directed at anyone here posting (well, recently or in this thread )
I certainly agree that reform is complicated but have a differing opinion about the "piecemeal" vs. "integral". Most of the great social movements have been fought over decades or centuries and at times with great leadership (King, Ghandi, too many to list). Conciousness about issues shift, conditions change and so on as does any struggle for change.
I like the way Cornell West describes the US - "an experiment in democracy"
Just some thoughts on it really. |
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