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Rooster_2006
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 Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Update: we're up to 12 applications for this 14.5-hour cram school position.
Some notables:
- A guy with ten years of teaching experience (five in Korea, five in Taiwan)
- A guy with a master's degree in chemistry and three years of experience (two in South America, one in Taiwan)
- A woman with seven years of teaching experience in Taiwan
GEEZ, WHAT'S GOING ON? WHERE DID ALL THESE QUALIFIED PEOPLE COME FROM, WANTING TO DO THIS LOW-RUNG JOB? WHAT'S NEXT, A PHD? |
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JZer
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:43 am Post subject: |
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To make an analogy, Bob works at 7-Eleven for $8 an hour.
He also has a lucrative translations or proofreading gig on the side that nets him $500 a week.
A man asks Bob "Should I quit my office job and work at 7-Eleven? Will I have a good income and lifestyle?"
Bob says "Sure! 7-Eleven pays really well! I work at 7-Eleven and make $3,000 a month, and only leave the house to work five hours per day!" |
One does not need some special job to earn 80,000. One just needs to look on line and go out and get the work!
One can earn 80,000 a month only getting 600 an hour. Of course if you can find higher paying students that would be even better. |
And similarly, one can make $3,000 a month working at 7-Eleven without any side work.
One does not need some special job to earn $3,000 at 7-Eleven. One just needs to look at the job postings on the 7-Eleven bulletin board and apply for jobs such as general manager or regional supervisor and be accepted. Even assistant managers can make $3,000 a month if they work enough hours.
One can earn $3,000 a month working at 7-Eleven only getting $9.85 an hour. Just work an average of 71 hours a week (for this, "stringing together" work at two 7-Elevens is preferable). Since there are 168 hours in a week and you only need to sleep 49 of those, this should be easy.
Both 7-Eleven and English teaching in Taiwan are easy ways to make $2,500 - $3,000 a month. Simple. Like shooting fish in a barrel. |
Actually if you are working at 7-11 for $9.85 an hour then you are living in a western country and are really only earning about $1500 a month after taxes. If you earn $3000 a month in Taiwan you have around $2820 to spend after taxes.
Quite a big difference. So Rooster if you want to work in 7-11 in the United States or Canada more power to you. Not to mention that you will have over $200 a month in car expenses. |
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Rooster_2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Fine, whatever, teaching English in Taiwan pays wonderfully, everybody come on over!
Works great for me, because maybe some of the desperate folks will come over from Japan to ride this incredible gravy train, and it'll be easier for me to find a job there in two weeks when I arrive there.
Come on over! The water's fine! |
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JZer
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Rooster, I agree with you on this one. However, this kind of discussion will achieve nothing. If some people think Taiwan is a cash cow they believe it to be, then best of luck to them. |
I never said that Taiwan is a cash cow. I said one can earn 80,000 a month and make a living.
I cannot complain about 80,000 a month and two trips abroad every year. In 2011, I already went to Tibet and have a ticket purchased for Russia.
Life is good in Taiwan. |
I never said that teaching English pays wonderfully. I simply stated that one can earn 80,000 a month and that Taiwan is not a bad place. I hope to be earning a lot more than that in two years. |
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yamahuh
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| JZer wrote: |
Actually if you are working at 7-11 for $9.85 an hour then you are living in a western country and are really only earning about $1500 a month after taxes. If you earn $3000 a month in Taiwan you have around $2820 to spend after taxes.
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Hmmmm - really?
$80000 NT - 18% withholding tax ($NT 14,400) = $65,600 / 29.385 (today's exchange rate and a damn good one at that) = $2,232 US for the first 6 months (not including health insurance deductions)
After the first 6 months a few things could happen - one possibility is that it merely drops to the 'normal' rate of 12% - 13% - the best is the possibility that you pay no tax for the rest of the year, which is not guaranteed but let's assume that it happens.
6 months at $NT80,000 = $NT480,000 + (6 X $65,600) $NT 393,600 = $NT 873,600 / 29.385 = $29,729 / 12 months = $2,477 per month averaged over the year (not including health insurance deductions).
If your school takes the full tax withholding rate this is your best case scenario IF you can actually make $80K a month.
Where do you get $2820 from? |
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Zero
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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I have not worked in Taiwan, so I'm not the best person to comment. But this is an argument over whether it is possible to earn the equivalent of U.S. $3,000 a month or so, under the best of circumstances? In that case I would not move to Taiwan. It seems to me that China offers a much broader playing field for an entrepreneurial person.
I know people with just a bachelor's and a knack for self-promotion who make more than 30,000 RMB a month teaching English in China's largest cities. That is more than U.S. 4,400 a month. Those are not typical earnings, of course. Those are the most energetic people. But still, for such people, mainland China seems wide open. My impression from reading here is that Taiwan's opportunities are far more limited, maybe due to its size. To the OP: I would stick to China. Maybe move cities. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| yamahuh wrote: |
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Actually if you are working at 7-11 for $9.85 an hour then you are living in a western country and are really only earning about $1500 a month after taxes. If you earn $3000 a month in Taiwan you have around $2820 to spend after taxes.
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Hmmmm - really?
$80000 NT - 18% withholding tax ($NT 14,400) = $65,600 / 29.385 (today's exchange rate and a damn good one at that) = $2,232 US for the first 6 months (not including health insurance deductions)
After the first 6 months a few things could happen - one possibility is that it merely drops to the 'normal' rate of 12% - 13% - the best is the possibility that you pay no tax for the rest of the year, which is not guaranteed but let's assume that it happens.
6 months at $NT80,000 = $NT480,000 + (6 X $65,600) $NT 393,600 = $NT 873,600 / 29.385 = $29,729 / 12 months = $2,477 per month averaged over the year (not including health insurance deductions).
If your school takes the full tax withholding rate this is your best case scenario IF you can actually make $80K a month.
Where do you get $2820 from? |
Um, you would get all of the tax back over 6 percent when you file your taxes! |
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JZer
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| $80000 NT - 18% withholding tax ($NT 14,400) = $65,600 / 29.385 (today's exchange rate and a damn good one at that) = $2,232 US for the first 6 months (not including health insurance deductions) |
Health insurance deductions are a lot more in a western country. |
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yamahuh
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| $80000 NT - 18% withholding tax ($NT 14,400) = $65,600 / 29.385 (today's exchange rate and a damn good one at that) = $2,232 US for the first 6 months (not including health insurance deductions) |
Health insurance deductions are a lot more in a western country. |
I'm not disputing that.
I'm disputing the statement that you will have $2820 a month free and clear after taxes if you can make $NT80,000 a month. Standard tax rate for earnings of $NT 500,001 - $NT1,130,000 is 12% so I don't see why you would get back anything except what you have paid over 12%.
The tax rate that you are quoting is only applicable to a very low taxable income which $NT80,000 is not. The only way this would be possible would be if your school / schools were underdeclaring your earnings to the Tax Bureau. Of course this is a possibility but certainly not a given and not something you should be relying on when handing out 'advice'.
But again, for the sake of argument, lets say you're right and you get everything back that you have paid over 6%: $NT80000 -6% = $NT75,200 / 29.385 = $2559.
So I say again - where did you get $2820 from? |
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yamahuh
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Further to my last posting. This is the most up to date information I can find - taken from the Government of Taiwan's information for foreigners web site.
An individual who stays in the Republic of China for 183 days or more within a taxable year is regarded as a resident and the individual income tax shall be declared and assessed by a progressive rate (See Article 14) on the amount of his or her net consolidated income (taxable income) which shall be the annual gross consolidated income (including the various incomes derived within the ROC and the remunerations derived outside the ROC for service rendered in the ROC) minus the exemptions and deductions.
Article 14
http://iff.immigration.gov.tw/ct.asp?xItem=1091446&ctNode=29931&mp=T002
Other information:
Summary
From 2010 the tax rate for teachers is 18% for the first 183 days of every calendar year.
After 183 days (within the same calendar year) the rate will drop to the normal tax rate dependent on income for the remainder of the year.
At the end of each year, teachers who stayed in the country for at least 183 days (within the same calendar year) will be eligible for a good tax rebate on the tax paid in the first 183 days. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| yamahuh wrote: |
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| $80000 NT - 18% withholding tax ($NT 14,400) = $65,600 / 29.385 (today's exchange rate and a damn good one at that) = $2,232 US for the first 6 months (not including health insurance deductions) |
Health insurance deductions are a lot more in a western country. |
I'm not disputing that.
I'm disputing the statement that you will have $2820 a month free and clear after taxes if you can make $NT80,000 a month. Standard tax rate for earnings of $NT 500,001 - $NT1,130,000 is 12% so I don't see why you would get back anything except what you have paid over 12%.
The tax rate that you are quoting is only applicable to a very low taxable income which $NT80,000 is not. The only way this would be possible would be if your school / schools were underdeclaring your earnings to the Tax Bureau. Of course this is a possibility but certainly not a given and not something you should be relying on when handing out 'advice'.
But again, for the sake of argument, lets say you're right and you get everything back that you have paid over 6%: $NT80000 -6% = $NT75,200 / 29.385 = $2559.
So I say again - where did you get $2820 from? |
Actually the first 330,000 you earn every year is tax free. You don't pay any tax on the first 330,000 if you want to get into specific details. |
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yamahuh
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:47 am Post subject: |
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That's ridiculous.
For most teachers that represents in excess of 5 if not 6 months earnings. Do you really expect us to believe that the Taiwanese Govt doesnt tax us on a half year's earnings?
Please provide some corroborating evidence to support your claim.
If you can do that and crunch the numbers to show me where you got your stated post tax earnings of $2820 on earnings of $NT80,000 from, I'll be happy to concede the point (more tax return for me next year).
Until then I'm going to go with what I have been able to find, which states that there�s a standard NT$82,000 exemption for every taxpayer.
http://www.pwc.com/tw/en/publications/assets/taiwan-pocket-tax-book-2010.pdf
Scroll down to personal exemptions articles.
... or click here http://www.taxrates.cc/html/1001-taiwan-income-tax.html |
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:10 am Post subject: |
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When you go to the tax office, they deduct a certain amount, It was 262,200 last year. It will definitely be different in May 2011.
I can only look at my income paper from last year.
$345,220 is what my boss reported. I paid $4992 NT in taxes. If the tax was six percent I would have had to pay 20,700. Go do the math on your taxes from last year. |
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yamahuh
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| When you go to the tax office, they deduct a certain amount, It was 262,200 last year. It will definitely be different in May 2011. |
Are you married? Do you have any dependents?
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I can only look at my income paper from last year.
$345,220 is what my boss reported. I paid $4992 NT in taxes. If the tax was six percent I would have had to pay 20,700. Go do the math on your taxes from last year. |
I don't need to, I know I paid way less than I should have done - but then again I'm not the one making outrageous claims without any substantiating evidence to support them. Nor am I claiming that my own personal situation should be taken as indicative of what everyone else should or will experience.
You do the math on $NT80,000 a month and tell me how it works out to $2820 after a 6% tax deduction.
I have posted the Govt madated tax laws as of this year. This is what people should expect to pay. Legally this is what they should pay - anything less is gravy and a bonus but stop trying to pass off your own personal situation as being the standard that people should expect.
It's self indulgent and misleading.
As usual your desire to appear 'all knowing' in regards to teaching in Taiwan is based on nothing more than supposition and personal experience presented as law.
If a Taiwanese person poked me in the eye should I come on here and tell everyone to stay away because if you come you will get poked in the eye?
Post some corroborating evidence to support your claim.
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:13 am Post subject: |
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That's ridiculous.
For most teachers that represents in excess of 5 if not 6 months earnings. Do you really expect us to believe that the Taiwanese Govt doesnt tax us on a half year's earnings?
Please provide some corroborating evidence to support your claim.
If you can do that and crunch the numbers to show me where you got your stated post tax earnings of $2820 on earnings of $NT80,000 from, I'll be happy to concede the point (more tax return for me next year).
Until then I'm going to go with what I have been able to find, which states that there�s a standard NT$82,000 exemption for every taxpayer.
http://www.pwc.com/tw/en/publications/assets/taiwan-pocket-tax-book-2010.pdf
Scroll down to personal exemptions articles.
... or click here http://www.taxrates.cc/html/1001-taiwan-income-tax.html |
Actually if you read the guide that you posted the deductions should be 262,000NT.
Read page 40 104,000 deduction on wages. 76,000 deduction for singles.
Page 38, taxpayer 82,000.
There are three deductions that don't need any supporting documents. All you have to do is read pages 38-40. |
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