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Tutoring Work in Shanghai 20,000 RMB/month+?
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jsrit



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:12 am    Post subject: Tutoring Work in Shanghai 20,000 RMB/month+? Reply with quote

Last year I met a traveler who said he and friends were EACH earning over 25,000 RMB/month teaching private lessons in Shanghai.

However, I lost his contact info.

If I wanted to get into this type of work, is it truly possible? How to go about it?

THANKS IF YOU CAN SHARE THE WISDOM! (Email me the secrets if you dont want everyone to steal the market - I can give you a commission if this is real!!!! [email protected])
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YAMARI



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well that would mean finding 125 hours of teaching time a month at 200 rmb a lesson.

one would need to be quite the salesperson to do that.
thats over 30 hours of privates a week at a price more than most will pay.
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daCabbie



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Send me $19.95 and I will tell you the 'secret'.

Here's a hint: Take the number 11 bus.

No newbie to China is gonna pull some rabbit out of a hat and make 20k a month. Especially not someone FOTB.

Put in the time. Do the leg work and maybe in a year or two you can pull in that much on privates.

So get on the bus, Gus. Make a new plan, Stan. Ain't no reason to be coy, Roy. Just get on the bus. (Remember its the number 11)
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Zero



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know people who make well over 30k/month from various freelance teaching arrangements, but it's probably not fair to say it's just from "privates" in the sense of one-on-one students. It involves not only privates but also corporate English training, where rates can go far above 200 RMB/hour.

If I wanted to go to Shanghai and make 25k or more per month, I would probably get a part time job as a base, take on private students if they were willing to pay enough, and market myself as a business English trainer to small and mid-size companies. (I wouldn't bother much with larger companies, who are more likely to go through an agency.)

As for paying your dues and working your way up the ladder and so on, it depends on the person. What is your background coming in? Someone good at self-promotion, and possibly with a background in business, and with a knack for teaching, could probably hit the 25k mark a couple months off the boat. But for someone without the aptitude, it may never happen.
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Mr. English



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am now making just shy of 25,000 per month teaching private students, most one-to-one, in Guangzhou, and the amount is rising; I hope to hit 30,000 before too too long. I work just over 30 hours a week at just under 200 per hour on average. Any increase will be via rising rates, not more hours, and rates can go up once you get into the right market. I think rates, and cost of living, are a little higher in Shanghai, so definitely possible. "A couple of months off the mark": I am skeptical, took me about 11 months to get to this point. I have done corporate training. I don't like it. Rates are similar to private students, higher sometimes, but corporations and some corporate training outfits treat trainers like cogs in a machine; there is no respect. One-to-one teaching, on the other hand, is fabulous. If you work well with young children there is a strong market and a shortage of qualified teachers; I think it's the easiest market to crack. Start out with a base working at small private schools on a part-time basis, then build the private practice.
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Laurence



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't it bother anyone that it's illegal to do this?

How would you react to a foreigner in your country making cash in hand illegally?
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laurence wrote:
Doesn't it bother anyone that it's illegal to do this?

How would you react to a foreigner in your country making cash in hand illegally?

what's the crime? earning a better living by taking initiative and working harder?

if more people did this in my country, legal or not, i'd have no problem with it. as it is we have more and more people sponging off the government (taxpayer) when there's no need. that bothers me.
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dog backwards



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder what one does for a regular job that makes him eligible and desirable to work on the side.
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Non Sequitur



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't taking money illegally, sponging off the taxpayer?
Get the services but don't pay for them.
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Old Surrender



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laurence wrote:
Doesn't it bother anyone that it's illegal to do this?

How would you react to a foreigner in your country making cash in hand illegally?


Victimless crime as long the person is a good teacher and his clients are satisfied.
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Laurence



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
what's the crime?


a) Violating visa restrictions
b) Tax evasion

I'm not sure tax evasion is a victimless crime. I'd say that's a ripple that affects the system in its entirety.

If I met someone in my home country, evading tax on 50%+ of their income, and violating their visa to do so, I'd be insulted by the lack of respect for the system which has been so many years in the making.



I know - This Is China.

Leave your integrity at the door.
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laurence wrote:
a) Violating visa restrictions

i suppose if someone was on a tourist visa, working and earning money then they've violated the "visa restrictions." but anyone with a residence permit is not. Part time work is only prohibited if it says so in the contract.

Non Sequitur wrote:
Isn't taking money illegally, sponging off the taxpayer? Get the services but don't pay for them.

What services? What are you getting in return for your tax $ in China?

Laurence wrote:
b) Tax evasion. I'm not sure tax evasion is a victimless crime. I'd say that's a ripple that affects the system in its entirety.

What about tax evasion? The purpose of taxes is to provide benefits and/or services to the taxpayer, but legally documented foreigners don't seem to be the beneficiary of any services in China. At least I've never been made aware of any that are available.

Laurence wrote:
If I met someone in my home country, evading tax on 50%+ of their income, and violating their visa to do so, I'd be insulted by the lack of respect for the system which has been so many years in the making.

In contrast to China, Canada has a highly developed system whereby legally documented temporary foreign workers have access to a wide range of extremely generous government benefits and services during their stay. These include maternity benefits, compassionate care benefits, severance pay at end of contract or if fired, unemployment insurance in the event of layoff, health care etc. These foreigners should be paying taxes.

On the other hand illegal non-tax paying foreign workers in Canada aren't able to access these benefits because they're not documented. No taxes paid but no loss to anyone. No-one really cares either because these illegals are doing jobs that would otherwise go unfilled. By the same token I don't think too many Chinese are getting rankled because some foreign workers are avoiding paying taxes for things they aren't going to get out of this system anyway.

btw, the tax burden on my salary (well above the threshold of 4800) for every year I've been here (6) has been almost non-existent (less than 200 last year). I don't know why but if my employer has no problem with me paying almost nothing in taxes (or if they cant be bothered to deduct them at the source) then it's fine with me.

Laurence wrote:
I know - This Is China.

Leave your integrity at the door.

leave your moralizing at the door as well. let people live their own lives and handle their own affairs.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laurence wrote:
Doesn't it bother anyone that it's illegal to do this?

How would you react to a foreigner in your country making cash in hand illegally?


Not in the least.

There are thousands of Chinese students right now in my hometown working for cash part-time and not paying taxes. Many of them are also collecting state benefits including free schooling and free health care.

So no, it doesn't bother me.

If 'illegal' bothers you, then I suggest that you not bother learning the Chinese language because if you learn the language as fluently as I have and then decide to get all fussy about 'the law' then you are going to be pointing at every second Chinese person you bump into on the street.

I challenge you to not buy 'illegal' DVD's, ride in 'illegal' buses and/or taxis, not to eat in 'illegal' restaurants, not let your boss hire you 'illegally', and not even cross the road 'illegally'.

If you are able to do this while living in China, you have every right to complain about what is or what is not 'illegal'.
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samhouston



Joined: 17 Jan 2007
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Location: LA

PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, and illegal downloads. Have internet, will travel.

This world is spinning down the toilet. Every man for himself! 30k off the books? I don't see a problem here. Grab what you can while the gettin's good.
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