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Bethan



Joined: 10 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2004 5:53 pm    Post subject: Need help with grammar!! Reply with quote

I'm just trying to finish off this workbook I have been given to complete as part of my TEFL course...
I'm really struggling with a particular bit - they have given me a sentence and I have to say what each word in the sentence is, e.g. adverb, preposition..
The sentence is: "Students of grammar are usually good teachers and often enjoy working hard for long hours"
I can't work out what the 'of' is!! I thought it was a preposition but I only have so many terms to choose from, and that isn't one of them!! Help me please!!! Confused
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2004 6:18 pm    Post subject: It's a preposition Reply with quote

Dear Bethan,
Well, to the best of my knowledge (also), the "of" in the sentence you gave IS a preposition (obj. of the prep. = grammar). Trick question?
I don't know, but I'd be VERY surprised to learn that, in the context you provided, it could be any other part of speech.
Regards,
John
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Bethan



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2004 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I was right.... I will just say that it is a preposition even though they haven't given me the option..... Idiots Mad
Thanks for your help John!!
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2004 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is the clearest example of a preposition you can find. I would wonder about the workbook or its preparers.
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Bethan



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2004 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it is a bit of a worry really.. Doesn't instill me with any confidence about what the workbook has taught me about grammar.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2004 9:44 pm    Post subject: Better than the authors Reply with quote

Dear Bethan,
I wouldn't worry too much - you already had enough grammatical knowledge to think the workbook was wrong. So hey - you're more proficient than whoever wrote it.
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Bethan



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2004 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why thank you!! So I guess I'm not a hopeless case then Laughing
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shmooj



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2004 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In any case, the purpose of the workbook might not actually be to get you to learn parts of speech. It might simply be to get you to think about the structure of the language and simply pose the question... get you thinking kind of thing...

It is insightful that you felt an right/wrong answer was required and that you posted here obviously desperate to find one.

I think you should reflect on that because it will help you understand stress that learners put on themselves in similar situations but which is unnecessary in terms of helping them become fluent English communicators.
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Justapirate



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2004 10:52 pm    Post subject: But I have another question... Reply with quote

Shouldn't the original sentence be written....'usually are'.....not 'are usually'???? Just a thought.
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Ailian



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2004 11:48 pm    Post subject: Re: But I have another question... Reply with quote

Justapirate wrote:
Shouldn't the original sentence be written....'usually are'.....not 'are usually'???? Just a thought.

Not necessarily. "Usually" is one of those words that (in many dialects of English, at least) can occur in various places throughout a sentence.

Usually students of grammar are good teachers.
Students of grammar usually are good teachers.
Students of grammar are usually good teachers.
Students of grammar are good teachers, usually.

It all depends on personal preference, when the speaker thinks to add the "usually" (or similar word), dialect, and perhaps meaning or sentence structure.
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