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Hello everyone! College senior needing some advice
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paulc510



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:05 pm    Post subject: Hello everyone! College senior needing some advice Reply with quote

Hi everyone. I am new to the forum and I need some advice. I am currently a senior in college planning to go to grad school, but nothing is set in stone.

If I don't go to grad school, I want to go abroad(or maybe stay in the US) for 6 months - 2 years and teach English.

To make things even more unclear, I am not even sure where I want to go. Japan, Korean, China, Mongolia, somewhere in Europe, or maybe just stay in the US. I am really uncertain. I was looking at all of these certifications and was just wondering which one was best. CERTA is certainly the best one, but I don't really think I need that right now. There are a lot of sites like American TESOL Institute, TEFL International, TEFL Online, etc. that all seem to offer something less than CERTA but would still get me certified and some even offer classroom experience. Since grad school is still a possibility for me, I don't really want to put the time and money into CERTA. And in Japan and Korea, I have friends that can get me a well paying job, no questions asked because they've been in the business so long.

Can anyone help me out as to what I should do? I definitely want to get certified in someway within the next year!

Thanks
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smithrn1983



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, if you want to teach abroad, get a legitimate certification. That means spending 120+ hours in a classroom learning to teach, and 6+ hours teaching real students and being observed by a trainer. Anything less than this, and employers who ask about certification will be unlikely to offer you a job. CELTA, Trinity and SIT are the name brands that most employers will recognize, though there are generics available. Once you decide where you want to teach, try to get your certification there, and that advice goes doubly for the generics. Don't waste your time with online certificates. All they prove is that you paid someone money to print something out.

As for where to go, you really need to narrow down your options a bit. Think about what you like and dislike, what you couldn't live without, and what your ultimate goals are. How can you achieve them by living abroad? Talk to your friends, and read through the country specific boards here to help you find what you're looking for.
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rtm



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Hello everyone! College senior needing some advice Reply with quote

I guess I would ask you this: Why do you want to teach abroad?

If you know what you want to do in the future, and it definitely isn't language teaching, and it is what you are thinking of going to grad school for, then I would recommend just going to grad school and pursuing that area instead of teaching English.

If you don't know what you want to do as a career, but it probably isn't language teaching, and all you want is a little time out to think about your future, then I would recommend just getting a job through your friends in Korea or Japan. You could do an online course as a very small introduction to teaching, but don't expect the qualification to be of any benefit to you professionally.

If you would possibly be interested in a career in language teaching, then I would recommend getting a decent certification - a CELTA would be a good, entry-level introduction to language teaching.

paulc510 wrote:
To make things even more unclear, I am not even sure where I want to go. Japan, Korean, China, Mongolia, somewhere in Europe, or maybe just stay in the US. I am really uncertain.

If you are thinking of staying in the US and teaching, look into AmeriCorps or Teach for America.

As for Europe, it is nearly impossible for Americans to get a job, due to visa restrictions. However, if you would like to go just for 1 academic year (9 months), you could look into the various Fulbright English Teaching Assistant programs in countries throughout Europe. You probably won't make any money from these, but it'll get you 1 academic year of experience through an esteemed US government program.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CELTA, not CERTA.

As for this:
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And in Japan and Korea, I have friends that can get me a well paying job, no questions asked because they've been in the business so long.
That's a big claim for anyone to make (in Japan anyway) considering the flooded market here. Tell me more.
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Zero



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't know what you want to do, then we sure don't.

If you just want to take a year for adventure, I wouldn't invest in any certificate, if a job could be obtained without one. Save your money for grad school. Japan and the other country you mentioned sound good to me.

Like someone else said, if you think teaching English might be a long-term career for you, it might be worthwhile to go for a certificate. That said, there are plenty of long-termers who don't have one. And personally, if I were a fresh graduate with the world as my oyster, I wouldn't consider EFL as a career. (Ducks and covers to avoid rotten fruit being thrown by the other posters.) Instead, if teaching were my thing, I'd go for a K-12 teaching certificate from my own country and get a couple of years experience there. Then I'd have the flexibility to teach in virtually any part of the world I chose for a good wage, or to stay in my homeland.
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paulc510



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing is pretty certain. I DO NOT want to pursue a Masters in ESL or TESOL or anything like that. I either want to go for Asian Studies, Linguistics, or English. I do not forsee making English teaching my main priority in the future. I would possibly like to teach English as a side job or coordinate some kind of ESL or international program, but as far as being an ESL teacher, I am pretty sure I don't want to do that at a high level.

I mainly would want to teach abroad so I can study more, pass more language proficiency test, build my resume and teaching experience, and do something fun. I know quite a few people who work or own English language schools in Asia. I've spent time living in Asia. In Korea, the demand is so high for English teachers, I know some people that are teaching without a bachelors or any certification and at all and many more that just have a bachelors in some random area. I mainly want to keep my options open because I am really unsure of where I want to go to teach.
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rtm



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

paulc510 wrote:
One thing is pretty certain. I DO NOT want to pursue a Masters in ESL or TESOL or anything like that. I either want to go for Asian Studies, Linguistics, or English.

These (Asian Studies, Linguistics, and English) are all quite different. If you don't know which you want to do, I would advise against grad school.

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I do not forsee making English teaching my main priority in the future. I would possibly like to teach English as a side job or coordinate some kind of ESL or international program, but as far as being an ESL teacher, I am pretty sure I don't want to do that at a high level.


If you are thinking about ESL teaching as a side job, what do you envision as your main job? Also, I'm not sure why you think you could coordinate an ESL program if you don't have a masters in teaching ESL and don't have experience teaching ESL at a high level.

If you are more interested in the administration side of things (and not teaching), you may want to consider a masters in Education Psychology and/or Student Affairs.

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I mainly would want to teach abroad so I can study more, pass more language proficiency test, build my resume and teaching experience, and do something fun.


Still, I guess my question is: toward what end goal? Getting language proficiency and adding teaching experience to your resume are only good if they are relevant to your goals. For example, if your goal is to go into computer programming, they might not really care that you have language teaching experience on your resume. If you are going to go into linguistics, they probably won't care about your foreign language proficiency.

Also, on a side note, it might be good to avoid talking about that country that starts with a K. Such talk seems to get threads locked around here. If you want to talk about that country, there is a separate forum (with separate registration) for that. Smile
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

paulc510 wrote:
I either want to go for Asian Studies, Linguistics, or English. I do not forsee making English teaching my main priority in the future. I would possibly like to teach English as a side job or coordinate some kind of ESL or international program, but as far as being an ESL teacher, I am pretty sure I don't want to do that at a high level.
Linguistics or English major, but don't want to teach English. Come again? Just what did you envision a graduate in Linguistics would do to start off?

As for working abroad for 6 months, very few places offer such opportunities. Get in line. It's pretty long right now, especially in Japan.

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I mainly would want to teach abroad so I can study more, pass more language proficiency test, build my resume and teaching experience, and do something fun.
You won't be paid to study or pass any tests or have fun. Employers want to hire people to work. You sound like a typical backpacker teacher. Plenty of them around. Just don't expect a lot of serious help from serious teachers here, ok?


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In Korea, the demand is so high for English teachers, I know some people that are teaching without a bachelors or any certification