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kamikaze-gargoyle
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 Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:51 pm Post subject: New guy here |
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Just wanted to say hi all. I'm looking for work teaching abroad from May onwards - have I come to the right place?
Currently mostly interested in Japan but pretty open about other places too. Any tips on how to use the site would be much appreciated!
BTW, I have a CELTA qualification and a linguistics degree but not post-qualification experience. Hopefully that should open up some avenues, anyway.
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tttompatz
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:05 am Post subject: Re: New guy here |
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| kamikaze-gargoyle wrote: |
Just wanted to say hi all. I'm looking for work teaching abroad from May onwards - have I come to the right place?
Currently mostly interested in Japan but pretty open about other places too. Any tips on how to use the site would be much appreciated!
BTW, I have a CELTA qualification and a linguistics degree but not post-qualification experience. Hopefully that should open up some avenues, anyway.
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Glenski is the resident expert on Japan and I will defer to him for Japan specifics (or you can head for the Japan forum).
The rest of Asia is wide open to you (provided you hold a passport from one of: USA, Canada, UK, NZ, AUS).
For your average entry level ESL job your lack of experience is nothing to worry about.
It is a little late in the game for the majority of jobs in Korea but heading for the Korean forum would give you a good idea.
It is just starting to heat up for May starts in Thailand. You should easily be able to find a position in the 35-45k baht range (as a newbie starting out).
You won't get rich on it in BKK but will be comfortable out in the provinces and have a bit left over at the end of the month to tuck away for your return home.
China is looking now for fall starts in Schools and universities and there are ALWAYS job openings in the language academies (DON'T take the first rmb3000 offer that hits your desk). You should be able to find jobs in the rmb7000-10k range (plus housing and airfare).
Taiwan is always open (for language academies) and you can't get into regular schools without qualified teacher status. It can be a tough start but the money is OK for a gap year or entry level starts.
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| From what I understand Japan is flooded, China, Korea, and Thailand, as well as Vietnam are good places for newbies to start though. |
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Captain_Fil
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:51 am Post subject: |
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Good luck, kamikaze-gargoyle.
And welcome to these forums.
I am also a newbie.
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Glenski
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:13 am Post subject: |
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If you're interested in Japan, post in the Japan forum. Read the FAQ stickies before posting there, though.
You're as minimally qualified as 90% of newcomers to Japan. Will you come here to look for work, or will you stay home and look from there?
May is right after the peak hiring has taken place, so you will get leftovers at best. Be prepared for that.
As naturegirl wrote, Japan is flooded with teachers now. More jobs than teachers, and competition even for entry level work is high. |
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kamikaze-gargoyle
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Well, wherever I end up, I'll be searching for it from home before going out. I already didn't get an interview for the JET programme, so I'm already getting the impression that Japan is busy. Hmmm. Certainly will try these other countries. Too much choice, though!  |
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coledavis
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Linguistics and CELTA. You are a strong candidate but it is a case of looking for that first job. Why not pick something from an advertising list, for any country, where they want somebody from now to the summer? Then you will turn as if by magic into an experienced TEFLer and will be in a better position for Japan. Even some temping in your own country may be ok; indeed, multilingual classes are a greater challenge than monolingual (IMO). |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| kamikaze-gargoyle wrote: |
| I already didn't get an interview for the JET programme, so I'm already getting the impression that Japan is busy. Hmmm. |
You decided that on the basis of one failed application? My turn to say "Hmmm".
If you decide to look from your homeland, be prepared for lots of barriers. Not that many places recruit from abroad. |
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Glenski
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| coledavis wrote: |
| Why not pick something from an advertising list, for any country, where they want somebody from now to the summer? Then you will turn as if by magic into an experienced TEFLer and will be in a better position for Japan. |
Was that a facetious comment? Most Japanese employers just want a greenhorn with no experience. And, many/most don't count experience outside of Japan anyway. |
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kamikaze-gargoyle
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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It was that plus a comment from a friend to the effect, actually...
Now, fair enough, but I don't have the money to go abroad without getting a job first. Are you basically saying I'm not in the best position for it in general? great... |
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coledavis
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
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| Why not pick something from an advertising list, for any country, where they want somebody from now to the summer? Then you will turn as if by magic into an experienced TEFLer and will be in a better position for Japan. |
Was that a facetious comment? Most Japanese employers just want a greenhorn with no experience. And, many/most don't count experience outside of Japan anyway. |
Not really. And you don't think that some experience would give an edge over no experience? |
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tttompatz
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| kamikaze-gargoyle wrote: |
It was that plus a comment from a friend to the effect, actually...
Now, fair enough, but I don't have the money to go abroad without getting a job first.
Are you basically saying I'm not in the best position for it in general?great... |
a) Going to Japan = not in the best position and you will need substantial cash to get started.
b) Going to Korea = yes, you are fine from abroad and minimal cash.
c) Going to Taiwan = not in the best position and you will need substantial cash to get started.
d) Going to Thailand = OK. It can work both ways but you will need airfare and cash to get you through till payday.
e) Going to China = yes, you are fine from abroad and minimal cash but be careful what you accept. (don't take the 1st 3000rmb job that comes along. You MAY need airfare but decent places supply housing (many with utilities included) and food is cheap or free at the school canteen.
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Glenski
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| kamikaze-gargoyle wrote: |
It was that plus a comment from a friend to the effect, actually...
Now, fair enough, but I don't have the money to go abroad without getting a job first. Are you basically saying I'm not in the best position for it in general? great... |
Think about it logically. No money now. How are you going to afford setup costs? How will you have a parachute / escape valve to return home if you need to or find that you don't like it wherever you go. You won't even have enough money to do sightseeing beyond your own front door. Not a nice way to live in a foreign land that one aspired to work in.
Prepare. |
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kamikaze-gargoyle
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:58 am Post subject: |
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.... I'd be getting a job and making money there.
I dunno, clearly you don't seem to want to help me here. |
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tttompatz
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| kamikaze-gargoyle wrote: |
.... I'd be getting a job and making money there.
I dunno, clearly you don't seem to want to help me here. |
Clearly, you don't understand.
for Japan you will need airfare, apartment deposits, rent, food, transportation, furniture, daily living expenses for 30-60 days before you ever see your first pay ..... All in, about USD3000 or more.
Even for places like Korea (where they prepay airfare and supply housing) you will still need $1000 or so to get you through to payday (not to mention the costs associated with your visa application and documentation).
*BEST CASE = $1200-1500 (Places like Korea where they prepay airfare and supply furnished housing).
*Average case = $2000+ (places like China where you need to pay your airfare and get reimbursed or Thailand where they don't pay anything but at least the cost of living is very low).
*Worse case (places like Japan) $3000+ in your pocket and gone before you ever see your first pay.
OR the case where you don't get paid and have to survive till you find a new job then fight to get your money (and you won't know until about 30-40 days AFTER you start work).
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