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johnslat



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear 2buckets.

Quite right


"This group consists of seven full brothers, all sons of King Abdul-Aziz and Princess Hassa bint Ahmad bin Muhammad Al Sudairi. They include:

King Fahd (born 1921), the fifth King of Saudi Arabia from June 13, 1982 - August 1, 2005
Prince Sultan (born 1926), Defense Minister (since 1962) and Crown Prince (since August 1, 2005)
Prince Abdul-Rahman (born 1931), Vice Minister of Defense
Prince Nayef (born 1933), Interior Minister since 1975, Second Deputy Prime Minister since 2009
Prince Turki (born 1934)
Prince Salman (born 1936), Governor of Riyadh
Prince Ahmed (born 1940), Vice Minister of Interior"

But when King Abdullah goes to his reward, will it be the King of Thieves (Sultan) or The King of Loonies (Nayef) who ascends?

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John
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2buckets



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I predict a move to the next generation, the first non bin Abdul Aziz, but only Allah knows who that will be, (still will be an old fart, for sure).

This will be part of putting a "new" face to the monarchy. By the time Abdullah dies, which may be quite some time in the future due to his upright living compared to his half brothers, the others will be too senile to even know it happened.


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Bebsi



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One of those guys calling for a Day of Rage in KSA on FB was shot and killed in unusual circumstances a couple of days ago...

http://en.trend.az/regions/met/arabicr/1838791.html

Balzac


No, Balzac, it is alleged by the organizers of the "Day of rage" that the guy was abducted and murdered, because he has been missing, and they believe he was abducted by the Saudi security forces who, they argued, then murdered him and hid the body.

I'm not saying that this sort of thing doesn't happen, but what strikes me as odd in this particular case is that everything is 'alleged', 'believed', 'argued' etc . There is no substantiation whatsoever.

I did a Google search, and what struck me as even more interesting is that while quite a few results turned up, they were all entries on blog-sites, online news journals and lesser-well-known (in other words, obscure) publications in places such as central Asia. I didn't see any mention of Al Jazeera, BBC, CNN, Reuters or even Fox News (which in itself speaks volumes).

If there is some concrete evidence to suggest that the guy really has been abducted and is being held illegally, or has been murdered in custody, then we want to hear it, and deserve to be told.

Hmmm...I believe that we couldn't entirely rule out the possibility that it might be a PR stunt, as this type of incident would allegedly and arguably benefit the government more than the organizers.

Go on, call me cynical!
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John Carpenter



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Reuters
(Reuters) - Saudi Shi'ites staged protests in two towns in Saudi Arabia's oil-producing Eastern Province on Thursday, demanding the release of prisoners they say are being held without trial.

Demonstrations of about 100 people were seen in the small Gulf coast town of Awwamiya, as well as in the nearby Shi'ite center of Qatif, demanding the release of those the protesters say were arrested for security reasons and held, in some cases, for more than a decade.

"We want the prisoners free but we also have other demands," said Radi al-Suwaileh, who was in the Qatif march. "We want equality."

They are calling for better access to jobs and to be treated as equals in the ultraconservative kingdom dominated by a rigid form of Sunni Islam, Wahhabism. Shi'ites say that, while their situation has improved under reforms launched by King Abdullah, they still face restrictions in getting senior government jobs.

The government of Saudi Arabia, an absolute monarchy without an elected parliament that usually does not tolerate public dissent, denies these charges.

"We want jobs. I graduated from a U.S. university but did not get a job for 10 months," said one young man who gave his name as Muhammad.

Saudi Arabia's Shi'ite minority mostly live in the east, which holds much of the oil wealth of the world's top crude exporter and is near Bahrain, scene of protests by majority Shi'ites against their Sunni rulers.

More than 2 million Shi'ites are thought to live in the area, and in recent years they have increasingly practiced their own religious rites thanks to the King's reforms.

PROTESTERS SAY DON'T SEEK SYSTEM CHANGE

"We want freedom, we want equality," one woman chanted.

Another clad in black, who called herself Umm Turki, said she wanted her husband, in prison for 13 years, back.

"Peaceful, peaceful," demonstrators in Awwamiya shouted, holding up pictures of Shi'ites they say have been long held without trial, while policemen stood nearby without interfering.

One held a placard saying: "We do not plan to overthrow the system."

In Qatif, a 10 minute drive away, riot police wearing helmets arrived in two troop transport vehicles, blocking protesters from moving further on a main thoroughfare.

Some wielded signs saying: "The reform movement wants reforms," "God is great" and "We want our prisoners free."
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"'We want jobs. I graduated from a U.S. university but did not get a job for 10 months, . . ."

Count your blessings, Muhammad. Plenty of MAs, MSs, and Ph.Ds here in the States have been out of work for a lot longer than that.

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John
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bulgogiboy



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
"'We want jobs. I graduated from a U.S. university but did not get a job for 10 months, . . ."

Count your blessings, Muhammad. Plenty of MAs, MSs, and Ph.Ds here in the States have been out of work for a lot longer than that.

Regards,
John


Tell me about it, I graduated with a Master's from a top 5 UK uni, and can't even get an entry-level position here. Hence my upcoming foray into the magic kingdom...

On an unrelated note:
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demanding the release of those the protesters say were arrested for security reasons and held, in some cases, for more than a decade.


Barbarians! Thank god this could never happen in our civilised western countries (*cough* Guantanamo)!
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sheikh yer money-maker



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep it civil bulgogiboy. Former imperialists living in glass houses financed by the plunder of the World should not throw stones.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Yahya 8:7
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Sheik,

Hold on - some of us LIKE getting stoned. Very Happy

Regards,
John
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sheikh yer money-maker



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear Sheik,

Hold on - some of us LIKE getting stoned. Very Happy

Regards,
John


Everybody must get stoned! B. Dylan Laughing
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bulgogiboy



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Former imperialists living in glass houses financed by the plunder of the World should not throw stones.


I wholeheartedly agree! Thank god I detest imperialism and have never even colonised so much as an armchair (thanks to the rugged defence tactics of my dog). Laughing
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