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[daylatehero]

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[TexasHighway]

daylatehero wrote:

[80daze]

This is a franchise - if you go with corporate EF you will get double the money for the same hours.

[Ariadne]

I have worked at three universities in China. They all had (have) pretty similar packages, with the same or better pay than you are being offered, but for 12-16 teaching hours per week, no office hours. Paid vacations including Spring Festival, but not always summer break. Single apartments, sometimes with two bedrooms like where I am now. Airfare reimbursed at 1000-1300 US dollars.

An eight hour teaching day can be a very long day. Once a week, OK, but every day would be brutal. I like teaching and I like my students, but no way would I ever agree to a 40 hour work week... it wouldn't be fun anymore. People have said it before, but really, you can probably earn more at Micky D's back home (with good health insurance) if you really want to work 40 hours a week.

I have no personal experience working at a language school so it is possible there are fabulous benefits that I just don't know about.

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[peruisay]

[the_otter]

40 contact hours a week? Run like hell and don't look back.

[Little Tiger]

sounds like too much work for the pay, I have not heard that EF has the best track record among teachers anyway

[TexasHighway]

peruisay wrote:

[The Ever-changing Cleric]

I was thinking the same thing almost. If a contract is fair and equitable prospective employers have nothing to worry about if the details are pasted here. If the contract sucks and is heavily weighted in favour of the school, well those same employers have reason to be embarrassed.

[peruisay]

[vikeologist]

Renato - In this specific case you may be right; after all you know about the situation, and I / we don't. Also contracts should be, to an extent, confidential between employer and prospective employee.

However, there is a tendency on these kind of forums for contracts to be posted, and it does serve a purpose.

I believe many job applicants find it difficult to understand the full implication of contracts, and they often have very tiny little variances which applicants may not notice, but posters on these sites do. Often schools offer very bad and unfair contracts, which they will then enforce fully.

In this case it was s standard EF contract, and I probably could have just posted that information and referred the poster to all previous (and manifold) threads about EF; but to be honest, I get sick of reading the endless, ill-informed, remarkably free from the taint of self-doubt rubbish that usually pours forth on any thread with EF in the title, though the posters on this particular one have made some very sensible and valid comments.

Maybe your school is a good one, and let me repeat that the OP should have been able to figure out that posting it would be against the confidentiality policy, but I would hope that you could respect the need of applicants to consult not only you, but boards of this type before emabarking on the risky step of coming to China to work for EF.

The retention at your school sounds very impressive, and now that you've popped your head over the trenches, I for one would love to hear more about how your school retains teachers (hopefully not refusing to give them release letters so they have to stay with you ), although to be fair, contractually, that would still put you in breach of EF's confidentiality clauses as well.

[daylatehero]

Renato, my goal was not to go behind anyone's back or give away contract details and I realize now maybe I should not just be posting up the contracts i get.. even though they take only an email or two to get. However, I am new to the teaching game and am apprehensive about heading to China and want to be as best informed about the possible benefits and pitfalls within contracts that I may not notice and that the school may not choose to point out. Just looking for a little feedback from some people with more knowledge and experience than myself.

[The Great Wall of Whiner]

[west2east]

[Mrs McClusky]