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sanpedro72



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:37 pm    Post subject: Looking for international schools in SE Asia Reply with quote

Hey all,

Do any of you know of a SE Asia international/ American/ British/ Canadian/ Australian/ etc. school hiring in the fall? I've written directly, mass mailed, etc. Not a lot of luck. I'm in Istanbul but looking for a climate change.

Cheers for reading and write back with a lead if you got one.

J
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tttompatz



Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines

PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You of course have a B.Ed or PCGE and QTS / home country certification and more than 2 years of verifiable classroom experience in an IB (or other) international school or in your home country?

You are qualified to teach primary, secondary?
You are qualified to teach what subjects?

You have looked at places like ibo.org or tes.co.uk ?

Hard to give an accurate answer to some anonymous post with no information other than your current location and desire.

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sanpedro72



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:11 pm    Post subject: background Reply with quote

Let's see, only a TESOL and teacher trainer for now. 5 years with a mix from 1-10 and adults. No special certifications but I am currently teaching at an American school. Where does this place me?
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: background Reply with quote

sanpedro72 wrote:
Let's see, only a TESOL and teacher trainer for now. 5 years with a mix from 1-10 and adults. No special certifications but I am currently teaching at an American school. Where does this place me?


Out of the running for work in most uncredited or locally accredited "international" schools in most of Asia. A degree (albeit unrelated) is usually the minimum requirement for work in a K-12 school.

Definitely won't even get looked at by any/all internationally accredited schools in Asia. QTS and a minimum of 2 years verifiable experience is required as a minimum for most. (Some of the more prestigious ones prefer academic staff to hold a masters or QTS and 5 years).

ESL options in a few countries but without a degree you won't have much luck from abroad. There are lots of back-packers already here who will do the work just to extend their vacations in the sun. Hit the ground and pound the pavement. This is especially true in places like Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos. It also works in Thailand but you won't get a work permit and will be doing border runs every 90 days to stay in the country.

You can pretty much rule out legal work in Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines (work visa and/or work permits require you to have a degree).

You might, depending on the desperation of the language academy, find work in China (degree is required but in some of the less desirable provinces the language schools have enough "friends" or money to get around the paperwork. Unlikely to find work in a regular (k-12) or an international school in any of the more "popular" destinations (like Beijing, Shanghai, Pearl River Delta, etc.)

If you hold a UK passport then anywhere in Europe is an option and often you can find work in ESL without a degree.

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sanpedro72



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I didn't add the Bachelor's because I thought that was a given. So that, too Smile So then what?
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sanpedro72 wrote:
Well I didn't add the Bachelor's because I thought that was a given. So that, too Smile So then what?


With the addition of a degree AND holding a passport from the UK (assumed since you are in Turkey) or other anglophone country (USA, Canada, NZ, AUS) then you can get work teaching ESL in anything except an internationally accredited school where QTS is a requirement.

Pick a country for specifics.

Being on the ground is also a bonus.

Korea just started their new term so you are a bit late.
Japan starts in April and you will need cash in your pocket and be in-country.
Thailand starts in May.
China schools recruit for fall starts.
Same with Taiwan (but QTS is needed for ALL K-12 schools leaving language academies as your only option).

- language academies all year round.

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sanpedro72



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:39 am    Post subject: QTS is out...so... Reply with quote

Thank you ttompatz,

My countries of interest are Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos, etc. I would consider China and Japan. I've taught in Korea before.

I am looking for work starting in the fall. Ok, so QTS is out, so do you have recommendations for finding a school with an international curriculum without working at a language school?

Being on the ground isn't really an option at present. I expect going through the British Council is not an option either. I am looking for something similar to the American school I am currently teaching at (where the students are local, not international). There must be some of these kinds of schools in other countries as well.

Thanks Smile
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:01 am    Post subject: Re: QTS is out...so... Reply with quote

sanpedro72 wrote:
Thank you ttompatz,

My countries of interest are Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos, etc. I would consider China and Japan. I've taught in Korea before.

I am looking for work starting in the fall. Ok, so QTS is out, so do you have recommendations for finding a school with an international curriculum without working at a language school?

Being on the ground isn't really an option at present. I expect going through the British Council is not an option either. I am looking for something similar to the American school I am currently teaching at (where the students are local, not international). There must be some of these kinds of schools in other countries as well.

Thanks Smile


Local private schools *k-12 (bilingual or EP (English program)) in Thailand would work but your timing is off (school starts in mid May).

Malayasia (to the best of my knowledge) require QTS for those positions as do Taiwan and HK.

You should be able to find similar positions in the larger cities in Indonesia as well. They are pretty scarce in Cambodia and Laos.

China is a good bet and with the BA, TESOL and experience you should easily be able to find a Sept start in a K-12 (bilingual) school. You could probably find a position in a low tier university as well (even from abroad).

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KayuJati



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:45 am    Post subject: Re: QTS is out...so... Reply with quote

tttompatz wrote:
sanpedro72 wrote:
Thank you ttompatz,

My countries of interest are Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos, etc. I would consider China and Japan. I've taught in Korea before.

I am looking for work starting in the fall. Ok, so QTS is out, so do you have recommendations for finding a school with an international curriculum without working at a language school?

Being on the ground isn't really an option at present. I expect going through the British Council is not an option either. I am looking for something similar to the American school I am currently teaching at (where the students are local, not international). There must be some of these kinds of schools in other countries as well.

Thanks Smile


Local private schools *k-12 (bilingual or EP (English program)) in Thailand would work but your timing is off (school starts in mid May).

Malayasia (to the best of my knowledge) require QTS for those positions as do Taiwan and HK.

You should be able to find similar positions in the larger cities in Indonesia as well. They are pretty scarce in Cambodia and Laos.

China is a good bet and with the BA, TESOL and experience you should easily be able to find a Sept start in a K-12 (bilingual) school. You could probably find a position in a low tier university as well (even from abroad).

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I helped my niece get a teaching position at an international school in Malaysia without the QTS. It depends upon which curriculum they use. Yes, certainly, if it is a Brit-run school, with Brit-curriculum, they will want PGCE, QTS, LMS, NXY, and all of those other acronyms that the Brits so love.

But, if it is a school with American curriculum, one must have a Bachelors degree, some teaching experience (hopefully), and stateside certification. My niece landed at a school with American curriculum despite it not having any American students. It caters to Germans, Spanish, Korean, Malay, Chinese and etc. children of factory managers and rich people.

Likewise, I doubt that the Korean and Japanese international schools require the QTS. And those schools will hire English teachers.
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:16 am    Post subject: Re: QTS is out...so... Reply with quote

KayuJati wrote:

I helped my niece get a teaching position at an international school in Malaysia without the QTS. It depends upon which curriculum they use. Yes, certainly, if it is a Brit-run school, with Brit-curriculum, they will want PGCE, QTS, LMS, NXY, and all of those other acronyms that the Brits so love.

But, if it is a school with American curriculum, one must have a Bachelors degree, some teaching experience (hopefully), and stateside certification. My niece landed at a school with American curriculum despite it not having any American students. It caters to Germans, Spanish, Korean, Malay, Chinese and etc. children of factory managers and rich people.

Likewise, I doubt that the Korean and Japanese international schools require the QTS. And those schools will hire English teachers.


Forgive me for being brief and somewhat inaccurate in my previous posts.

In virtually (but not) all cases you can usually substitute B.Ed and state/provincial teachers licensing in place of PGCE and QTS. The acronyms are different (as is the process) but the result is the same (certified/licensed teacher).

An unrelated BA and a TESOL cert still doesn't make it for most positions in the vast majority of "international schools" - school accreditation requirements - not because of the school's choice but that of the accreditation body.

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celtica



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not an international school, but you listed Teacher trainer.....see below....
for an alternative

http://www.brightoneducation.org/recruitment.html
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wailing_imam



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Location: Malaya

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try SIS in Indonesia.
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rayman



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work at an international school in Jakarta. Our principal tells me she receives on average 10 CV's a day - with only 1 out of those 10 having the minimum qualifications of a PGCE. This might explain why you haven't had any replies. Principals just don't have the time to respond to the mass of underqualified applicants.

Having said that, there are some 'national plus' schools around which will hire you in Indonesia. SIS also being an option as Wailing Imam points out (although not one I'd recommend).
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Nemodot



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi some international schools hire TEFL teachers with good degrees, CELTA and good experience as ESOL support teachers. Don't know salaries but lower of course. But the number of applicants is huge of course and maybe two teachers out if 50 typically.

Seen jobs new style "train malay teachers" agencies - a friend works for one - and they pay about 70k RM for good candidates. That is good money outside of kL where the jobs are based. But that is working in state sector but sounds interesting.

With the recession there are a lot of grads trying to escape! In Spain young grad unemployment is 42%! in UK 20% looks positively great but know some grads in tefl teaching who wanted to be bankers but missed the boat. Europeans are struggling and heard same in USA. In those circumstances taking a job overseas seems like a good idea and pushes rates down. I don't blame them as I would do the same but makes it harder to make a career out of it. I'm lucky I decided to do a pgce - but now the funding is being cut sotough for newbies but good for me..... My advice is is get a pgce before fees hike!
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sanpedro72



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:14 pm    Post subject: Thank you for all the comments and information Reply with quote

I am one of 'those' teachers who have no idea what most teaching acronyms mean...I stayed in Turkey and just hopped up to a better school each time. With my experience with an intensive American Curriculum with a even division of British and American English, I assumed this would give my resume a push into an Intl School or just slightly below the line.

Right now I am focusing on school that gives proper teacher holidays, organized curriculum and doesn't give slave hours. Right now, I spend 12-14 hours a day between school, teaching, grading and lesson preparation in a high school Prep Program the I can literally see my energy slipping away with each passing day. Strange weather, unhealthy food, I need to get out of Turkey but I will only be in Bali on holiday in early April. Suggestions when I get to Bali? Green School and Bali Intl did write me back a few times and offered a campus tour and interview. Is that promising or just being friendly?

Regards...
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