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zaser45
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 Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:51 am Post subject: z conversion |
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| well, it looks like i will have to lose my Z status. Probably go down to the L. If i find a job, will I be able to change it back from an L to a Z easily? |
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The Ever-changing Cleric
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what do you mean "lose my z status?"
If you HAD a Z visa prior to arriving at your current job then you don't have one now and you should have a residence permit. you need to be more clear about your situation. |
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zaser45
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, thats what is has been is a residence permit. I have had that actually for the last 3 or 4 years. But seeing how I don't have much time left on it I will have to change to an L visa for only 1 month most likely. If i find a school in time then they can do it. However, i have few if any prospects left. |
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The Ever-changing Cleric
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| if you have a residence permit then it should cover the entire period of your contract and then a couple of weeks beyond that. if this isn't the case talk to your employers. |
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LanGuTou
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:02 am Post subject: |
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If you are issued with a one month 'L' visa because your residence permit has expired, you can find another job and get another 'Z' visa invitation letter. Then you go on a visa run and start the whole process again.
If you cannot find a job before the 'L' visa expires and you cannot get further 'L' visa extension time, you will have to leave the country until you obtain the 'Z' visa invitation letter then return.
If you can find a job before your current residence permit expires and you have the contract completion documentation from the school, you don't need to bother with the visa run. Just get another RP. |
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zaser45
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| well, it seems you don't understand my question. I probably need to ask someone who is a little more with it. I will rephrase what i am asking, not what i'm not asking as you seem to want to gravitate towards. This is straight up now. If you have a Z visa, but you switch to an L. Is it simple to convert back to a Z again? Thats my question and please don't read anything else into it. |
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LanGuTou
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| zaser45 wrote: |
| well, it seems you don't understand my question. I probably need to ask someone who is a little more with it. I will rephrase what i am asking, not what i'm not asking as you seem to want to gravitate towards. This is straight up now. If you have a Z visa, but you switch to an L. Is it simple to convert back to a Z again? Thats my question and please don't read anything else into it. |
If you are issued with a one month 'L' visa because your residence permit has expired, you can find another job and get another 'Z' visa invitation letter. Then you go on a visa run and start the whole process again.
But remember, you will still have to obtain a leaving certificate and/or recommendation letter from your current employer as it will be needed for your next RP when you return from the visa run. |
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LanGuTou
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| The Ever-changing Cleric wrote: |
| if you have a residence permit then it should cover the entire period of your contract and then a couple of weeks beyond that. if this isn't the case talk to your employers. |
Not always the case.
When I quit teaching last summer, my RP expired at the end of June but my last day of teaching was July 7th. The university obtained a one month 'L' visa on the last day of June.
That was handy in my case because the Labor Bureau would only issue me with the documentation to get a business work permit while I had a 'L' or 'F' visa. Apparently the process was not possible while an active RP existed in my passport. |
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Mister Al
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| It seems the OP is very confused, and it may be a waste of time trying to help him. |
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The Ever-changing Cleric
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| LanGuTou wrote: |
| The Ever-changing Cleric wrote: |
| if you have a residence permit then it should cover the entire period of your contract and then a couple of weeks beyond that. if this isn't the case talk to your employers. |
Not always the case. |
there probably isn't an instance of anything happening in china where you can say "it's always the case." generally speaking a residence permit covers the entire period of a teaching contract and then some. |
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LanGuTou
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| The Ever-changing Cleric wrote: |
| LanGuTou wrote: |
| The Ever-changing Cleric wrote: |
| if you have a residence permit then it should cover the entire period of your contract and then a couple of weeks beyond that. if this isn't the case talk to your employers. |
Not always the case. |
there probably isn't an instance of anything happening in china where you can say "it's always the case." generally speaking a residence permit covers the entire period of a teaching contract and then some. |
Correct, and I remember questioning the discrepancy with the FAO as soon as that RP was issued. It could be argued that I was put in a position whereby I had to work illegally however the PSB knew when my contract expired and still issued the RP with an earlier expiry date. I guess it is just another way for them to get more money! |
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west2east
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Mister Al wrote: |
| It seems the OP is very confused, and it may be a waste of time trying to help him. |
Seconded. The Z visa is valid for up to 30 days from the day of entry into PROC. Some say it is invalidated as soon as you are stamped into the country - I don't agree.
The 30 day Z visa is the time allowed for the worker to obtain an RP. Your RP is what allows you to continue to remain in China, not the Z visa. The Z visa is null and void one you have an RP. Coming into China on a Z visa allows you to work straight away and ties you over until you get the RP. You cannot legally take on paid employment on an L visa and nor can you apply for a Z visa whilst in China on an L visa, thus having to do the visa run.
I agree with explanations from other posters and that it is the OP that is not clear on the visa system.
Note to OP: you are either a little ignorant on the subject, which is fine. Otherwise, with such few postings, some might think you are the latest troll to emerge. |
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TexasHighway
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Seconded. The Z visa is valid for up to 30 days from the day of entry into PROC. Some say it is invalidated as soon as you are stamped into the country - I don't agree |
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You are correct. I just got my new permament residence permit with the issue date of March 2nd. The Z visa in my passport has the word "Cancelled" stamped over it with a date stamp also of March 2nd. Also, I am on a one semester contract with the semester ending on June 30th. However, the contract was made out to end on Sep 20th and my residence permit expires on that date so I don't have to leave the country or vacate my school apartment right when the semester ends. |
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Teatime of Soul
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Correct, and I remember questioning the discrepancy with the FAO as soon as that RP was issued. It could be argued that I was put in a position whereby I had to work illegally however the PSB knew when my contract expired and still issued the RP with an earlier expiry date. I guess it is just another way for them to get more money! |
Not at all. By specifically requesting the PSB to issue your visa just shy of one year, your school cut the price of your visa in half.
Since they didn't fire you and you didn't quit, thereby justifying shortchanging you in advance on your visa, they now get to play dumb while you spin in circles due to a problem they all foresaw.
Cheers. |
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LanGuTou
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Correct, and I remember questioning the discrepancy with the FAO as soon as that RP was issued. It could be argued that I was put in a position whereby I had to work illegally however the PSB knew when my contract expired and still issued the RP with an earlier expiry date. I guess it is just another way for them to get more money! |
Not at all. By specifically requesting the PSB to issue your visa just shy of one year, your school cut the price of your visa in half.
Since they didn't fire you and you didn't quit, thereby justifying shortchanging you in advance on your visa, they now get to play dumb while you spin in circles due to a problem they all foresaw.
Cheers. |
Interestingly, for me it was perfection. I quit teaching at the end of that contract to pursue my own business interests in China. In order to obtain the paperwork from the Labor Bureau to apply for my own work permit, I had to cancel any existing active RP, get a 'L' visa then obtain a new 'Z' visa.
The way they chose to do this, it was the university that picked up the bill for 'L' visa and the hassle of getting it. It only served to save me time and money.
If that was the intention of the university, it worked in my favour more than theirs so I cannot complain. |
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