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Menino80
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 Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:06 pm Post subject: What should I bring if I want to find another job? |
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I'm planning on Shanghai later this year, I've done ESL for 2 years in Korea and have dealt with a lot of vague Asian law before.
I fully intend on staying with whatever school I find suitable, but on the chance it doesn't work out, what would I have to bring over to China with me that would be tough to get sent over if I didn't like my job?
I know Korea now requires FBI fingerprint checks, is this the case for China? Transcripts? Work history? Sworn affadavits? Is there anything I would need that is *not found in China* to get a new RP if I wanted to walk away from a job in China?
Also, my gf is 24 and will have been working for 2 years by this point, will that be a problem for her to get a Z visa then RP? |
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lee_barttwater
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Bring the ability to use the search function or read a web page with the simple 2 second search of google to find the work documents requirements
"walk way" from jobs? I think we all know where this is headed |
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Menino80
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| lee_barttwater wrote: |
Bring the ability to use the search function or read a web page with the simple 2 second search of google to find the work documents requirements
"walk way" from jobs? I think we all know where this is headed |
seriously you think i haven't thought of that? the search function is janky, and information on visa regulations in asia expires and changes quickly. most importantly, it is addressed at those currently in country of origin. it probalby could be found, but pray tell what is the harm in asking a more specific question not covered by the majority of the website? isn't that what forums are for? for example, i read that 25 is the youngest you can be to work in China, but I've seen ads that say 23. perfect situation to ask a question in a forum.
thanks for the grumpy useless old man shtick though it's solid gold, you have most assuredly been fine tuning it for a long long time.
"walk away" as in quit. labor follows prices just like capital. shocking i know, try to keep up though, maybe go get your pacemaker tuned up. |
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seamallowance
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| Could lee_barttwater be the newest version of legendary troll Orange Kangaroo, etc. ? |
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Non Sequitur
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By 'walk away', do you mean do a 'runner' or simply not renew if invited?
If it is the 'not renew' scenario then as long as you have all your qual and other items scanned, you will be OK.
The so-called 'release letter' isn't a problem I've found as long as the parting is reasonably amicable and as long as you don't owe utilities or anything.
Your best ally in my experience is the FAO at your new school. He/she will make the calls if your old employer gets cute and delays or refuses anything.
On the 'runner' side remember the Chinese tracking system is getting more sophisticated and you could be caught when you interact in any way with the authorities later.
Moral? Do your homework before committing, so that the runner scenario is a very remote possibility. If you have lingering doubts, see if you can wangle a one semester gig with renewal and exactly the same (or better) conditions in Semester Two.
As for the GF can't comment. Is she teaching too? |
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daCabbie
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Basicly:
It is almost impossible to 'pull a runner'/walk away nowadays. You will need a letter from your former employer to get a new visa. You can get around this by working on an F-visa or L-visa (both are illegal for work purposes).
Your GF cannot be covered under your RP. She must get a job and her own RP or you will need to get married to include her under your visa.
You don't need any special paperwork from home. No criminal checks or letters of reference are required in China. Passport, diploma, health check are the main ones you need here.
You might have to return to your home country to get your Z visa. This depends upon who is issuing your letter of invitation and how the interpret the guidelines.
Hope that helps. |
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Menino80
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| daCabbie wrote: |
Basicly:
It is almost impossible to 'pull a runner'/walk away nowadays. You will need a letter from your former employer to get a new visa. You can get around this by working on an F-visa or L-visa (both are illegal for work purposes).
Your GF cannot be covered under your RP. She must get a job and her own RP or you will need to get married to include her under your visa.
You don't need any special paperwork from home. No criminal checks or letters of reference are required in China. Passport, diploma, health check are the main ones you need here.
You might have to return to your home country to get your Z visa. This depends upon who is issuing your letter of invitation and how the interpret the guidelines.
Hope that helps. |
Great, yes it does. I most likely would not do so, and if I did quit it would be as amicable as possible. So my visa is tied to the original contract? If it expires in March 2012 I have to wait until then to go back in, for example?
Also, my gf would be working too. I've just heard that you have to be 25 to get the RP, but I've seen ads saying 23 is OK. Again thanks for the info |
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wangdaning
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| I was 24 when I got my RP, but that was in 2008. |
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Menino80
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the info, she'll be 24 by the time we go over, so it should be alright, as far as I can tell. It's really hard to find definitive information. |
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sistercream
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Menino80 wrote: |
| It's really hard to find definitive information. |
Even if you LIVE in China it's hard to get definitive information - people in one city will tell you, hand on heart, that national regulations relating to age, prior experience needed, visa processing, foreigners' housing, whatever, are a,b,c,d,...
Go to the next city or province and nobody has even heard of rules a,b,c, or d ... just about anything goes.
In the third place you visit nobody has heard of a,b,c,d either, but the "national regulations" ϕ,ξ,δ and θ covering the same areas are strictly enforced ...
In the unlikely event of someone's actually discovering what national law really says about these issues, s/he is liable to be detained by the PSB for violating State Secrets  |
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Alexis009
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| daCabbie wrote: |
Basicly:
It is almost impossible to 'pull a runner'/walk away nowadays. You will need a letter from your former employer to get a new visa. You can get around this by working on an F-visa or L-visa (both are illegal for work purposes). |
Hmmm, this makes me wonder. I'm currently pursuing a 1 year contract with private mill, while staying in contact and interviewing with universities in the same city... My plan is to breach the contract after about 6 months, amicably of course, and switch to a Uni job that's exactly what I want (banking on the fact that they'd accept me). I'd come over on an F visa, and the private mill would switch to Z visa, but then... they'd cancel visa when I breach according to contract.
SO you're saying that it would be impossible for me to get a visa with the University job after breaching or "walking away" from the private mill job? Am I justified in having this plan, or is it not possible to walk away from one job to a university job in the same city... Thanks |
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daCabbie
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Why not just sign a six month contract at the language mill? You will need a letter a release/recommendation from your previous school to go to the next. If I were an employer, I wouldn't want to give it to someone who didn't fulfill their contract.
Entering China on an F visa is for business people here to conduct business. If you are paid by a Chinese company while on an F visa you are in violation of the current regulations. Also, to convert from an F to a Z visa you will have to leave the country. Which means a trip to Hong Kong or your home country.
Seems like a lot of headaches.  |
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roadwalker
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| Alexis009 wrote: |
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Hmmm, this makes me wonder. I'm currently pursuing a 1 year contract with private mill, while staying in contact and interviewing with universities in the same city... My plan is to breach the contract after about 6 months, amicably of course, and switch to a Uni job that's exactly what I want (banking on the fact that they'd accept me). I'd come over on an F visa, and the private mill would switch to Z visa, but then... they'd cancel visa when I breach according to contract.
... Am I justified in having this plan, {...}... Thanks |
Justified? You are planning to enter into a contract in bad faith (documented here on Dave's). Of course you are justified. Hey, employers, the line forms here!
Seriously, I'm not sure how "amicable" your breach is going to be. It's not a small amount of paperwork for the employer to bring a foreign teacher into China legally. It's an investment on their part of time and money. And a university in the same city would probably pass on you and keep the longer relationships with fellow employers and the local and provincial government, unless they were desperate. They wouldn't want to be seen as poachers. |
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choudoufu
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Alexis009 wrote: |
| My plan is to breach the contract after about 6 months, amicably of course........ Am I justified in having this plan....Thanks |
bwahahahahahahah! |
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askiptochina
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| Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| My plan is to breach the contract after about 6 months, amicably of course |
Then you aren't "breaching".
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| I'd come over on an F visa, and the private mill would switch to Z visa |
This means you will fly and pay the cost. Then, they will pay the cost to transfer your visa. My understanding is that you have to go abroad and return with a working visa. Maybe you will pay for the first flight, but the school is then out the flight to get your Z visa. Be ready to negotiate this and basically work for nothing your last month.
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| they'd cancel visa when I breach according to contract |
If your visa is cancelled, then you have to get a new visa. What you want instead is release from the school. Again, this means you will have to negotiate with the school. The only way I know to do this is to work a bit without pay and leave at the appropriate time. |
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