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dog8food
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Any other experiences/thoughts on this school?
I may be teaching Oral English this fall. |
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Lobster
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My thought is that it's against Chinese law for foreigners to undertake religious prothlesizing, and doing so under the guise of providing language education is exceptionally devious and underhanded.
Why anyone would want to work for an organization that has no qualms about lying and breaking their agreement with their host country is beyond me.
I sincerely hope the lot of them get deported in the near future, and that the license for this fraudulent operation is permanently revoked. This "end justifies the means" attitude reveals the baseness of their criminally corrupt morality.
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daCabbie
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:09 am Post subject: |
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I was in the WC. Did I miss something?
Where did that come from Red Lobster? Do you know something we don't?
Dog, have you ever been to Henan? Need I say more? |
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dog8food
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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Dog, have you ever been to Henan? Need I say more? |
I haven't been to China actually, just Korea and Okinawa. Is Henan that bad?
I'm just trying to gather as much info as possible. |
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nickpellatt
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Lobster wrote: |
My thought is that it's against Chinese law for foreigners to undertake religious prothlesizing, and doing so under the guise of providing language education is exceptionally devious and underhanded.
Why anyone would want to work for an organization that has no qualms about lying and breaking their agreement with their host country is beyond me.
I sincerely hope the lot of them get deported in the near future, and that the license for this fraudulent operation is permanently revoked. This "end justifies the means" attitude reveals the baseness of their criminally corrupt morality.
RED |
Post of 2011 so far. In agreement 100%. |
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Old Surrender
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Henan is like the Kansas of China and its capital, Zhengzhou, is like Wichita. Take that for what it's worth.
Kiss all of the efficiencies and access to a lot of Western aminities that Korea has good-bye. Not to mention clean air. Henan has few of those things, unless you want to buy Gucci. Zhengzhou does have a Gucci store.  |
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Random Number
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| Sias is a legitimate university...though it IS a private school, which means the students pay a lot of $$$ for tuition, and the school generally expects you to pass most of them. They won't screw around with the contract, but if you're one of the unlucky few each fall, you might be asked to teach at "Brenda," another partner school, which is REALLY in the middle of NO WHERE. DO NOT DO THAT. But otherwise, they'll treat you well. Food is included, which sort of makes up for the PALTRY salary for oral English teachers. The apartments are nice. BUT BUT BUT, oral English, among the jaded FHSU teachers here is "moral English." 98% of the oral English teachers are conservative Christians and have NO reservations about spreading the word with the students. If you're nervous about coming to China, Sias is a stepping stone--Western food in the cafeteria, you don't need to speak Chinese, you don't even really have to leave campus, and there are a couple of free trips around the province each semester. You don't have to teach children. They'll give you lesson plans. If you love Jesus, you'll love it there. If you want a lot of vacation time for not much work, you'll make friends with the FHSU teachers and have a well enough time while plotting your next move in China. |
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Lobster
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WARNING: Long Post with anti-missionary rant.
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| 98% of the oral English teachers are conservative Christians and have NO reservations about spreading the word with the students |
I wonder if these words are "spread" in the curriculum:
fanatic
superstition
cultist
anti-intellectualism
scofflaw
visa fraud
evolution
crusade
religious colonization
duplicity
I guess you can tell I have a problem with people coming here to spread their "word". The Chinese Government also has a problem with them. They say:
"The principle of independence and taking the initiative in their own hands in the management of churches is a historical choice made by the Chinese religious believers of their own accord as part of the Chinese people's struggle against colonialist and imperialist aggression and enslavement. Following the Opium War of 1840 China declined to a semi-feudal and semi-colonial country. During this process Western Protestantism and Catholicism were used by colonialism and imperialism as a tool for aggression against China, and a number of Western missionaries played an inglorious part in this.
--They participated in the opium trade and in plotting the Opium War unleashed by Britain against China. In the 19th century Robert Morrison, a British missionary, and Karl Friedrich August Gutz, a German missionary, both working for the East India Company, participated in dumping opium in China. Some missionaries strongly advocated resort to force by Western powers to make the Qing government open its coastal ports, saying that it was only war that could open China to Christianity, and directly participated in the British mititary activities to invade China.
--They participated in the war of 1900 launched by the allied forces foreign powers against China. A number of missionaries, serving as guides, interpreters and information officers, took part in the slaughter of Chinese civilians and the robbing of money and property. According to Mark Twain, the renowned American writer, some of the missionaries imposed on the poor Chinese peasants fines 13 times the amount they were supposed to pay, driving their wives and innocent children to lingering death from starvation, so that they were thus able to use the money gained through such murder topropagate the Gospel.
--They directly took part in plotting and drafting unequal treaties, such as the Sino-British Treaty of Nanking of 1842, the Sino-American Treaty of Wanghea of 1844, the Sino-American and Sino-French treaties of Tientsin of 1858 and the Sino-French Convention of Peking of 1860. According to these unequal treaties, Western Catholic and Pretestant missionaries could lease land for building their own places of worship in trade ports andenjoyed the protection of local officials; missionaries could also freely lease or buy land for construction and other purposes in the provinces; local Chinese officials must treat kindly and protect those missionaries who came to inland regions to preach their religions; Chinese officials must not impose prohibitions on Chinese who professed a religious faith; etc.
--They enjoyed extraterritoriality, and were not governed by China's laws. The Western powers gave their missionaries in China protection on the strength of the consular jurisdiction they enjoyed. Taking advantage of extraterritoriality some Western missionaries, backed by the aggressive imperialist forces, went to inland China to build churches and set up parishes.
They forcibly occupied land, and bullied and oppressed Chinese officials and civilians. These missionaries even wilfully extended the extraterritoriality to Chinese converts and interfered in Chinese judicial authority.
--They strengthened the control of the Western powers over China on the pretext of "religious cases," i.e., conflicts and disputes between Chinese people and the Western missionaries who incurred popular indignation by doing evil deeds under the protection of the unequal treaties. In the period between 1840 and 1900, some 400 such cases occurred in China. On the pretext of these religious cases the Western powers imposed military and political pressure on the Chinese government. They put forward various unreasonable demands, compelled the Chinese government to pay indemnities, and arrested and executed innocent people. Moreover, they even launched aggressive wars on such a pretext. In a case in Tianjin in 1870 alone, the Western powers compelled the Qing government to execute 20 people and exile 25.
--They obstructed and opposed China's struggle against fascism and the Chinese people's revolution. After Japan invaded Northeast China the Vatican took a stand which was, in fact, supporting the Japanese aggression. It took the lead in recognizing the puppet Manchukuo regime set up by the Japanese and sent a representative there. After the victory in the War of Resistance Against Japan some Western missionaries stirred up hostility against the people's revolution among the converts and even organized armed forces to help the Kuomintang fight in the civil war."
From: http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/zt/zjxy/t36492.htm
The missionary-disguised-as-teacher is a pernicious element that reflects poorly upon those who sincerely wish to contribute to the advancement of our students' academic development in the context of Chinese, as opposed to Western, society.
If you're nervous about coming to China, you'd do better to avoid organizations that perpetuate the arrogant colonialist behaviours that have plagued this country in the past. You have been warned. Undertaking missionary activities is a breach of your visa requirements and is against the law. This means that 98% of the oral English "teachers" at this school are scofflaws.
RED |
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