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thelmaharper.1921



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Blatant racism. The owner of the school said he would not hire any black people, claiming he did not want them in his school. I know racism can be common in certain parts of China, but I've never heard of it being expressed so openly by someone in a position of 'supposed' respect.
Can I just mention that the person who posted this another forum is a liar. The manager of that school is a black person. (And when I worked at Aston some years ago, their foreign manager was also a black person.)
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daCabbie



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't that horse dead, daddy?

Yes, son.

Then why do they keep beating him?

Because they have no life, son.
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Pimpez1701



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:42 am    Post subject: Jining Aston Foreign managers Statement: Reply with quote

Greetings,
I am the one who wrote the official post for our school, The Foreign Manager. My thought was to give as impartial and descriptive information as I could about our school. I have been a foreign teacher for 4 years and a manager for 2 years. I am not a spinster and nor do I want to be. Thank you for the advice though and the next time I might find one. I answered the statements as quick as possible and rewrote my colleague�s statement into English that would be understandable.
My first point is to Lobster. With Aston the contract gives you 1 day off. That�s how it works. In addition working 1 hour on Christmas Eve really didn�t kill anyone. Each company has its own set of rules in this case it�s spelled out in the contract.
In addition I�ve had electric bills come to that price and they show me the receipts. I�ve spent over 300 rmb due to the AC as well as lighting. It�s possible that different cities charge different costs for electric. Finally your right that 2 representatives could be misconstrued as intimidation. It wasn�t our intention and we had never had that situation before. My intention was not to paint either side in the wrong with this.
To clown show, could it be possible that the management miss-scheduled them? Yes. Could it be possible that the teachers showed up drunk? Yes. The point was to give as little blame as possible. Being a teacher it�s easy to see the negative side to this however the schools intent was to say their side of the story with little blame as possible and acknowledging we want to develop as well.
The reasons the teacher gave me for being late were these same few reasons over a 7 month period. They happened over time. If anything I didn�t follow regulations and give stricter punishments due to this. We only have 1 location for classes and that was the same location we go to every week. We live and we learn.
Seammallowance I can�t change everyone�s opinion nor do I want to but I do want to know what the management of Jining Aston can do to improve itself in your opinion. What does your school do that keeps you there? Are there problems there? Does everything work out to the best of your benefit?
To everyone I wish to say this. In every Organization there are ups and downs. I believe that Aston has a long way to go but at Jining they do try to put forth the effort. I can honestly say that it�s the people that keep me here, and the learning opportunity that I have here. As a teacher my biggest concern was how to improve my children�s English and what can I do for fun. As a manager my concern has been far greater. It puts things in more perspective when you walk in another man�s shoes.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you really want to improve stop hiring every foreigner off the boat without any reference checks. It is no wonder that you get teachers who cannot meet the basic terms of employment by showing up on time.
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clownshow



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What does your school do that keeps you there?


Pay well. A goodly amount of time off and holidays are honored. Not much else, no trips no real help but then again, the pay is sufficient to allow for an instructor to manage on their own. Also they pay taxi receipts.

As to the electric bill, living in Beijing, I have never used that much and I lovs the BTUs....perhaps your really using 300 RMB per month but wasn't the bill quoted at 700 and the story was three months the bill wasn't paid making it well over that amount. Now correct if I'm wrong but in this last posting

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they show me the receipts


Doesn't that make them the billing party and if so wouldn't they know the correct amount as if you said, they are in procession of the receipts.

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To clown show, could it be possible that the management miss-scheduled them? Yes. Could it be possible that the teachers showed up drunk? Yes. The point was to give as little blame as possible.


The scheduled event was a one hour rehearsal during Christmas eve and they turned up "drunk"? Now if I have understood you correctly, I cant fathom why you wouldn't expect that kind of behavior on an "off day" especially a holiday like Christmas.

It really seems that the admin got a little heavy handed and now they have stepped on their tail. There is really no way to explain why representatives have to be present to help someone pack unless they anticipate damage will be done to the living quarters.
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As a manager my concern has been far greater. It puts things in more perspective when you walk in another man�s shoes.


While commendable to try and explain it really only gets more confusing and if the intent is not to lay blame then coming back with a rebuttal which labels your staff as reporting to a contracted one hour rehearsal (is that really in your contract) drunk seems to be trying to lay the cause of problems at the feet of the employed, which it may well be, but in the future when your colleague wants to submit a statement, show him this thread.
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tomhume89



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lobster wrote:
Well, if you had a bit more cultural sensitivity you'd realize that:

1. Christmas Eve is a time for people to be with friends or family at home, not doing some "rehearsal" at the school. On Dec 24, you stop classes at noon, take the teachers out for lunch, and then say goodbye until Dec. 27.

2. Making people work on Christmas Day is a total cultural slap in the face regardless of contract. Ignoring the customs of people who are your bread and butter is a great way to poison your work environment.


Cultural sensitivity? I'd imagine we should have more cultural sensitivity as foreigners to realise that we get tonnes of national holidays here, not to mention days off in the holidays, and that Xmas day might not be one of them. Yes, ask nicely to have the day off, but if my boss said no I wouldn't be too annoyed as we are living in China, not in the West.
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mat chen



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caroline Huang should get the Nobel prize for education.
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bythebookie



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thelmaharper.1921 wrote:
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Blatant racism. The owner of the school said he would not hire any black people, claiming he did not want them in his school. I know racism can be common in certain parts of China, but I've never heard of it being expressed so openly by someone in a position of 'supposed' respect.
Can I just mention that the person who posted this another forum is a liar. The manager of that school is a black person. (And when I worked at Aston some years ago, their foreign manager was also a black person.)


While I have zero understanding of the origin of this thread and find it ridiculous anyway...

Are you seriously expecting us to believe that Black people are incapable of racism against their own? You truly believe that any race is not capable of bigotry/racism/or-any-ism-for-that-matter against their race-peers?

It is not racism anyway. Your (anyone's) definition of racism is a definition based on your own culture/country. China has much less poor-poor-me attitude in which people apply a label such as racism on something that they find intolerable. Just because your life and experience defines what racism is, if a country (say China for example) has widespread "racism" and feels it's acceptable, then that country doesn't have racism. If you don't like it, get out is the way of life I suppose.

Nothing is blatant unless the point of view is your own.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bythebookie wrote:
China has much less poor-poor-me attitude in which people apply a label such as racism on something that they find intolerable.


Given the difference that Chinese express their feelings towards the Japanese compared with the other victims from what happened coming on 100 years ago, I find this hard to believe.
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clownshow



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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compared with the other victims from what happened coming on 100 years ago,


Slavery is still a hot button with most black people. Jewish, frequently bring out the "Holocaust" card.


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Cultural sensitivity? I'd imagine we should have more cultural sensitivity as foreigners to realise that we get tonnes of national holidays here, not to mention days off in the holidays, and that Xmas day might not be one of them.


How about abiding by "contractual" sensitivity.
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