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How hard is it to get a job at an International School???
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smurfetta



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the pp said is a great idea if you are looking for a year's break from your school district.

I also know of certified teachers that are working at universities in Korea teaching teachers. They love it! So, that may be something to look into.
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Zero



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, to tttompatz and others: I have heard that international schools do not like to hire people who have too many dependents, and that they like to hire teaching couples. Specifically, I've heard that the ration should not exceed one dependent per teacher, so therefore, a single parent could have either one kid or one spouse, and a teaching couple could have a maximum of two kids. This rule of thumb is what has prevented me from making the effort to become a certified teacher and try international schools.

My question is, given that China seems to have high demand, do you think the rule is applied strictly there? Could one get away with more dependents in China than in other places, at an international school?
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smurfetta



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, I think teaching couples are favoured when it comes to hiring. There are lots of posts about this on the forums of internationalschoolsreview and tes.co.uk.

I think if you have a spouse and one child then I think you won't have too many problems. Maybe adding one more child into the mix won't present too much of an issue. A lot of schools won't offer free tuition to the third child and some won't even offer it to the second child.

I've read that it all depends on what subjects you can offer. If you can teach a shortage subject then I think schools will be more willing to hire you with a bigger family.

Check out QSI schools- I've heard that they are more family friendly.


As for China- I was offered a position there and I have two dependents. So, I think China is a possibility.
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deniserita



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smurfetta wrote:
Perhaps, there is a lot of competition for jobs that you are certified to teach in. Just a guess here.

Another thought... Do you have any baggage like kids and/ or a trailing spouse? Do you have IB teaching experience? Have you lived overseas for a good length of time?

Or maybe some schools are just taking their time...


single no dependents- but no IB experiences or living overseas for an extended time

I would be willing to try to teach at a university. I know a girl who is teaching now in Korea and she suggested a university there, not at her school. So I will send her an email suggesting schools. For some reason I am having a hard time finding universities..I think I am just not used to researching schools.
Naturegirl gave me some suggestions a couple of weeks ago so I will look into those.

Now that I have heard from people maybe it would be nice to take a year of ease...maybe not be a classroom teacher. Fewer hours, more free time, wow that sounds like heaven!

Willie what school in Guatemala have you heard from? I heard from Colegio Maya.
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deniserita



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

meant to say I am not used to researching universities, not I am not used to researching schools. I feel that researching schools is all I have been doing since January!
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Nemodot



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi I think several factors are against the op

1. Started too late - nov dec last year was the time to look!

2. Increased unemployment of teachers in uk (USA no idea?) and the middle east crisis forcing out teachers from there has increased supply of teachers. Demand has slowed due to bad recession. So harder to get a job

3. Seems to be slight pref for uk qualified teachers (just my impression maybe) but again considering above factors

4. In sever economic times schools prefer less experienced and hence cheaper teachers. Younger teachers can also be made to work harder!

Also I read that most teachers get a job the second year of looking as it takes experience, timing, good cv and luck to get a job!
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zero wrote:
So, to tttompatz and others: I have heard that international schools do not like to hire people who have too many dependents, and that they like to hire teaching couples. Specifically, I've heard that the ration should not exceed one dependent per teacher, so therefore, a single parent could have either one kid or one spouse, and a teaching couple could have a maximum of two kids. This rule of thumb is what has prevented me from making the effort to become a certified teacher and try international schools.

My question is, given that China seems to have high demand, do you think the rule is applied strictly there? Could one get away with more dependents in China than in other places, at an international school?


I don't know about all schools in regards to dependents but I work in a bilingual school (not technically an "international" school and I have a wife and daughter.

One thing that you need to look at is the relocation cost. If you are willing to pay out of pocket the costs of bringing your dependents (you pay for their air ticket and visa costs) then, in my personal experience, family has NEVER been an issue for gaining employment and often the opposite has been true.

The schools have been in favor of married teachers, even if only one is teaching, because of the stability it shows and offers; married people are less likely to pull a runner on a whim and offer each other built in support so they are less likely to suffer from extremes of culture shock.

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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think being married or with a partner could work against you as well. For example, if one person hates it, they'd pressure the other to leave. Just speaking from experience. I hated it and left, went back, still hated and and told my husband he could leave with me or I'd sign the divorce papers. He came, then left, then came back again.

It's hard being married and living abroad, because often, one person will like a place more than the other. As it is, we're already looking to live in a couple years, but the only issue is that we don't know where to go.
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fladude



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
I think being married or with a partner could work against you as well.
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Agreed I think it also depends on where you are applying. Places that are really violent probably prefer singles (and maybe men). I imagine there are some places like that in Central Asia, Africa and a few parts of Latin America.
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Zero



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tttompatz wrote:
Zero wrote:
So, to tttompatz and others: I have heard that international schools do not like to hire people who have too many dependents, and that they like to hire teaching couples. Specifically, I've heard that the ration should not exceed one dependent per teacher, so therefore, a single parent could have either one kid or one spouse, and a teaching couple could have a maximum of two kids. This rule of thumb is what has prevented me from making the effort to become a certified teacher and try international schools.

My question is, given that China seems to have high demand, do you think the rule is applied strictly there? Could one get away with more dependents in China than in other places, at an international school?


I don't know about all schools in regards to dependents but I work in a bilingual school (not technically an "international" school and I have a wife and daughter.

One thing that you need to look at is the relocation cost. If you are willing to pay out of pocket the costs of bringing your dependents (you pay for their air ticket and visa costs) then, in my personal experience, family has NEVER been an issue for gaining employment and often the opposite has been true.

The schools have been in favor of married teachers, even if only one is teaching, because of the stability it shows and offers; married people are less likely to pull a runner on a whim and offer each other built in support so they are less likely to suffer from extremes of culture shock.

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Thanks for your reply.

My impression is that part, though not all, of the issue is how many children they let you enroll for free at the school where you're teaching. They don't want to enroll three children for free just to get one teacher. But I'm getting the sense that China is more lax than some countries, probably because not as many qualified teachers want to go there compared with, say, Europe or Argentina.

By the way, how would one find bilingual schools? What are their requirements for teachers, usually?
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