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xjgirl · Joined: 02 Feb 2010 Posts: 242

If people add to this we might be able to convince the moderators
to make it a sticky.

These scam websites copied and pasted my job advertisement word for word onto their websites, probably in a bid to earn middleman money from my school.

2 seem to be run by a scam artist called James

esljobsworld.com
jobchina.net

teachcn.cn
seems to be run a scam artist called Sammi
phone number 0571- 88165968 which is, i believe, a Hangzhou prefix
though his office is supposedly in guangzhou
[email protected]

Teatime of Soul · Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 905

Not at all unusual and not an attempt to scam you.

There are many, many websites out there that want to get a piece of the "Big Dave's ESL Cafe" action or something akin to it.

So, when an ad appears on Dave's, or any prominent website, dozens of others will cut and paste it on their website for the purpose of CREATING THE APPEARANCE of advertising traffic similar to Dave's.

Just look at it as free advertising. No harm done to you.

Just part of the scene in the ESL Intertube world.

I don't condone it, and I don't condemn it, and most definitely don't get the least unsettled by it.

Cheers.

xjgirl · Joined: 02 Feb 2010 Posts: 242

HOW IS IT NOT A SCAM?

How can a job-seeker trust a website that steals job ads in order to boost its google adsense revenue.

It misleads the job-seeker into thinking the website was hired by the school to get them a foreign teacher

It wastes the job-seekers time by applying for a job to an agent with no hope whatsoever of getting them that job

Not to mention the risk of identity fraud

flyingscotsman · Joined: 24 Mar 2010 Posts: 339 Location: Suzhou, China

Op, you must be VERY new to China and its lifestyle.

Teatime of Soul · Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 905

Not trying to be condescending, but if this minor transgression raises your ire, life in China is going to be VERY challenging indeed.

Seriously, this is but the smallest of potatoes.

Cheers.

The Great Wall of Whiner · Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 4946 Location: Blabbing

It is absolutely true.

I posted a job a few months ago, and they pulled a 'switch and bait' on an applicant to direct them to another job.

My job offered 12,000+ a month, and they used it as a lure to reel them in. This Sammi character had a lot of people contacting him/her based on my advertisement.

xjgirl is right that it is dodgy.

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I pay money for an ad, and someone copies my ad and then posts it everywhere. People contact that person, not me, for the job I am offering and then they say "it's taken but here are some other jobs"

The person does not need to 'write' up so many 'fake' jobs, but simply 'steal' advertisers' ads to make it look like a big database of jobs.

Dodgy.

I know this to be fact because more than one person who applied to me for the job I was advertising for asked me if it was the same one 'Sammi' advertised for and said was taken when contacted.

xjgirl · Joined: 02 Feb 2010 Posts: 242

this post was put up to help those people who ARE very new to China so that it could hopefully save them some time in their jobsearch,and
to let people know it may be possible to actually find information
on Dave's esl, not just a bunch of old trolls handbaging at forty paces...

And, Sammi's contact details are up, if anyone would like to mess around with him a bit....

xjgirl · Joined: 02 Feb 2010 Posts: 242

askiptochina · Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 488 Location: Beijing

Let me get this straight.

Recruiter B steals Recruiter A's ad for a real offer and then does a typical car salesman ploy and tries to sell another position. If that position is not as good, and truly a lemon, then it's only the teacher's fault for taking it.

The traffic generated in this scheme is only fueled by the ignorance of those teachers.

Now, if the alternative offers are as good, then why not do the same back that Recruiter B did? Fight fire with fire. Coke and Pepsi do it, Adidas and Nike do it, Apple and Microsoft do it (or is it Apple and Samsung now with the ipad/galaxy tab wars?), etc... etc...

Even if a recruiter doesn't have an offer, they can still play games. Let's say you want an adult position, but the recruiter only has kindergarten schools. They tell you, "We have 2 adult schools and one kindergarten school." They begin to work you, they promise all these things about the kindy school. You say no, you want one of the adult schools. Finally, they shut up about the kindy school. The next day, "We contacted the adult school you wanted. They already found a teacher, and the other school wants a female teacher."

You just wasted 2 days hoping for an adult school that never existed.