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john152



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:00 pm    Post subject: Dispatch VS Direct Hire Reply with quote

Most jobs in Japanese public schools are with dispatch companies. With a dispatch company they recruit you then you are their employee. The board of education will pay them and then they pay you. Boards of education just use dispatch companies out of convenience so they don't have to manage you, unlike other countries for example Korea where a school assigns you a manager (ie one of the teachers).

Some interesting things about dispatch companies.

1. When the school is closed, dispatch companies will often dispatch you to other jobs. You get much less vacation then a direct hire ALT(assistant language teacher) or a JET.
2. Your pay is much lower than a direct hire, sometimes dispatch companies will get $4,000 dollars a month from a school and only pay you $2000, even though you are doing all of the work.
3. Dispatch companies will often not pay into the national health insurance and say they are not required to because you are working 29.5 hours not 30. This is not true, and the union has successfully filed complaints over this. So few people complain which is why they get away with it.
4. In a dispatch company you have much less job security then a direct hire. Just being a man when they wanted a woman, or having one bad day could be enough.
5. Dispatch companies will sometimes get you to sign a contract saying you will have to pay $1,000 dollars if you quit, because of many people do quit due to poor working conditions. This is not legal under Japanese law, and the union can get your money back.

It is also important to know public schools can not tell you what to do in any way if you are a dispatch company employee, even saying put the eraser over there. If people contact the union http://www.generalunion.org to file a complaint over health insurance or some other labor law violation schools will change to direct hire. Sometimes one complaint is all it takes to get a school to do direct hire.

Having boards of Education use the direct hire system benefits teachers with higher wages, and more job security, but it also benefits students.

1. Lower turnover with ALTS means more experienced teachers.
2. Schools will have happier more motivated teachers.
3. Students can build a connection with their students, dispatch companies will often go through four teachers in a year.
4. ALT's can actually be a part of the school and make contributions and improvements to English education at the school.

http://www.generalunion.org/
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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public schools can not tell you what to do in any way if you are a dispatch company employee, even saying put the eraser over there.


One problem with this is that some JTEs take the attitude of sitting in the back to let the poor inexperienced ALT take over the whole class, including lesson and discipline, because the JTE doesn't want to get into trouble by telling the ALT the least little thing to do.

Another problem is that if the ALT complains about something like the above, and the JTE or school doesn't like it, they can have the BOE tell the dispatch company to reassign you.

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With a dispatch company they recruit you then you are their employee. The board of education will pay them and then they pay you.
Usually, the dispatch company takes a big cut from that payment, and many (most?) will even continue making the same money when you are on break and getting 50-60% of your regular pay (or zero pay). It's a business, but this is ridiculous.

Also, many dispatch agencies will also not call you their employee. They will say you are a "subcontractor", so they can pull some fancy act about having no obligations at all in providing you with shakai hoken. The union, as you suggested, is working to overcome this.
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if there will come a point when BOEs start dispatching Smile with AETs altogether? I mean, are they legally obliged to provide native English speakers in public schools?
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Ikki



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I don't think public schools are LEGALLY obligated to provide barbarian teachers.

This topic is old news now but I'm glad it's been brought up again, in the faint hope that those who are even faintly considering taking a dispatch contract will come to their senses and say "no *beeping* way."

I used to think eikaiwa were evil incarnate until dispatch outfits came around. Hell, I'd rather work for the old NOVA than Interac, etc.

But things won't change until NSTs simply refuse, en masse, to sign up for that kind of abuse. For the Japanese powers that be, the plight of foreign teachers was mighty low on the priority list pre-March 11...can you imagine where it is now?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They most certainly are not obligated to have native English speakers at all. The terribly low crappy level kids that I get in university are evidence that many schools don't have any.

(Not that they help much if they are only ALTs...but better than nothing.)
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rich45



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for balance, there are some legit dispatch agencies...I know because I work for one. Admittedly they are a small family business with only 5 ALTs, but I am fully paid during vacations and earn slightly above the average, and they have been great to me during the last 8 months or so.

I realise this is the exception to the rule though.
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Nagoyaguy



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to learn how much the local dispatch company is making, it is easy. Just go to your local city hall and file a Freedom of Information request, and you can request a copy of the contract between the city and the dispatch company. It is a public document. You may have to pay for photocopying, but that is all.

Where I live, the dispatchers were getting 25 million yen per year to provide 5 ALTs- 3 at JHS and 2 at ES. 5 million yen per ALT per year.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
They most certainly are not obligated to have native English speakers at all.


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No, I don't think public schools are LEGALLY obligated to provide barbarian teachers.


I could be wrong and something has changed, but I don't think this is true. 'Developing a strategic plan to cultivate "Japanese With English Abilities' is considered part of the national curriculum. In the 'upgrading the teaching system' it specifies ALTs several times (example: Establishing targets: Aim is for junior-
high and senior-high students to have
native speaker(s) participating in more
than one English class per week.
Promotion of the placement of the
necessary numbers of ALTs to meet this
target (nationwide target: 11,500 ALTs).
Boards of education have to have them- that's WHY they have them. But nobody says what they are supposed to actually do. Japanese teachers may or may not even agree with having them, but teacher training in this country for JTEs doesn't include anything about working with ALTs.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guidelines are guidelines, not laws. Targets are targets, not laws. There are probably far more than 11,500 schools, and even with one ALT bouncing between multiple schools, I don't think that covers everyone.

As for "Boards of education have to have them", can you give a more solid legal requirement? I ask only because it sounds like from many students I get in uni that they've often never seen an ALT in their HS before!

And, I'm sure you'll agree with me, Gambatte, that even if teacher training doesn't require anything about working with ALTs, it darned well should! But, that's good old Japan 30 years behind the times.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Guidelines are guidelines, not laws. Targets are targets, not laws.

This is a country where the entire junior AND senior high English language curriculum is fifteen pages long. That's less than a single grade is given in most countries. And then they use things like the guidelines in the 'strategic plan' as sort of a band-aid when teachers rightly point out that fifteen pages to describe what is to be done over six years is just ridiculous. It's true that guidelines are guidelines, not laws. But it's also true that private schools that drop ALTs together risk getting chopped from the ministries list of approved institutions (making it extremely difficult for graduates to go to any public, and many private universities). I worked at a school that talked about doing it until that little gem came out- and it came out from a lawyer. It's also true that some laws in this country aren't really much better than guidelines because they include deliberately vague information and hedges ('In principle...', after a contract has been renewed "several" times...)

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it sounds like from many students I get in uni that they've often never seen an ALT in their HS before!


If some kid sits there like a lump for up to six years, then how would they get any better?

Schools (private ones) 'have' to have an ALT (probably 'in principle'). BoEs have to have one (again, probably 'in principle') (and so they can send that guy to like six junior high schools at a time). But generally, schools tend to put ALTs in junior highs (in order to increase their 'motivation') and often only in first year of senior high (because they have to prepare for the test- the one that is increasingly asking for students to be able to produce discourse level language that most Japanese teachers haven't learned how to teach- but foreign people with masters degrees in language teaching have. So you end up with the people who are trained in doing what needs to be done running battleships and karuta games while the people who are not trained in what needs to be done sort of fumbling through it, not really sure of what they're doing, and really stressed out).
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GambateBingBangBOOM wrote:
But it's also true that private schools that drop ALTs together risk getting chopped from the ministries list of approved institutions (making it extremely difficult for graduates to go to any public, and many private universities).
I used to work at a private JHS/HS. There were no ALTs! Every English teacher was either a FT or PT direct hire.

Many/Most private unis have sister high schools (and JHS and elementary schools, etc.), such that the students don't even have to take entrance exams to get in to the uni.


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it sounds like from many students I get in uni that they've often never seen an ALT in their HS before!


If some kid sits there like a lump for up to six years, then how would they get any better?
That's besides the point and another problem altogether. At least with an ALT working with a JTE in the room, odds are that the JTE will maintain enough discipline to keep them doing something. Yeah, I know the system lets slackers slide through, but not always.

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Schools (private ones) 'have' to have an ALT (probably 'in principle').
No, they don't. My school (which had a good reputation when I was there) is an example of that.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
GambateBingBangBOOM wrote:
But it's also true that private schools that drop ALTs together risk getting chopped from the ministries list of approved institutions (making it extremely difficult for graduates to go to any public, and many private universities).
I used to work at a private JHS/HS. There were no ALTs! Every English teacher was either a FT or PT direct hire.


ALTs can also be either FT or PT direct hires. 'Direct hire' versus 'dispatch' is a totally separate thing. If you don't have a Japanese teaching license, then regardless of the title you were given, then on the books you were an ALT.

By 'ALT', I was referring to any English (or other target language) 'native' level speaking person teaching in a class who doesn't have a permanent Japanese teacher's licence. The term "ALT" doesn't really mean much other than that because some teach solo. Some sit there and do very little. Some are required to design courses, teach, grade and have meetings with parents.

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Many/Most private unis have sister high schools (and JHS and elementary schools, etc.), such that the students don't even have to take entrance exams to get in to the uni.


Yeah. Most of the private universities have sister high schools. But many private high schools are not connected to any university, so the kids DO have to do entrance exams. And in the schools where there IS a connection, they still usually have to do an entrance exam- it's just a ridiculously simplified one so that anybody with half a brain can pass.

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it sounds like from many students I get in uni that they've often never seen an ALT in their HS before!


If some kid sits there like a lump for up to six years, then how would they get any better?
That's besides the point and another problem altogether. At least with an ALT working with a JTE in the room, odds are that the JTE will maintain enough discipline to keep them doing something.


Most "ALT"s don't actually work *WITH* JTEs. In private schools, a lot of the time if JTEs are in the class, they do basically nothing at all (sometimes even refusing to say hello to the students when asked to by said "ALT"). Or else it's the opposite situation and the ALT basically stands there and does nothing, other than comment on sentences or is a human tape recorder. Sometimes there may be a tennis game sort of a situation where the "ALT" teaches a little, then the JTE teaches a little and back and forth, but that's not actually team-teaching either. But because it is so very common, then many schools decided that instead of the JTE teaching for ten minutes, then the ALT teaching for ten minutes and back and forth, they would just put the ALT in a different class and their portion would be done at a different time.

And that's the situation where the "ALT" is a solo teacher (they 'assist' by doing everything that any teacher does. They "assist" the school with all of the school's native teacher needs). Whether a school does this or not is up to the principal- he or she decides whether it's ok for the "ALT" to teach by themselves (the school will be at fault if anything bad happens). So when the principal changes, then often so does the ALTs job.

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Schools (private ones) 'have' to have an ALT (probably 'in principle').
No, they don't. My school (which had a good reputation when I was there) is an example of that.


And as I pointed out, unless you have a Japanese teacher's licence, then you were listed as ALT in their books (if they didn't do it that way, and you didn't have a Japanese teacher's licence, then they would be letting unqualified people teach in their school. Is there a difference between that and having "ALT solo classes"? No, just in terminology- but the former would be 'illegal', and the latter 'sort of/ probably/ kind of grey-scale legal').
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the clarification, Gambate. We have different POVs. As long as we both understand where we are coming from, we'll survive. Smile

GambateBingBangBOOM wrote:
If you don't have a Japanese teaching license, then regardless of the title you were given, then on the books you were an ALT.
Non-tenured FT teachers at my (and probably most) private HS had a 3-year license. Yeah, I know it's not a "proper" license that one gets by attending Japanese university courses, but it's still a license. Tenured FTers have to attend classes while they work to get that license.

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The term "ALT" doesn't really mean much other than that because some teach solo.
And, as much as it happens and everyone seems to look the other way, it's illegal.



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Most "ALT"s don't actually work *WITH* JTEs. In private schools, a lot of the time if JTEs are in the class, they do basically nothing at all (sometimes even refusing to say hello to the students when asked to by said "ALT").
I have seen many ALTs write on forums that their employers want a lot of interaction between the ALT and students, to include eating lunch with them. So, what you wrote above does not apply in all cases.

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Or else it's the opposite situation and the ALT basically stands there and does nothing, other than comment on sentences or is a human tape recorder.
Yup, and this is a constant complaint about JET program ALTs.

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And that's the situation where the "ALT" is a solo teacher (they 'assist' by doing everything that any teacher does. They "assist" the school with all of the school's native teacher needs).
This is where you and I are getting into a gray area of semantics. As a PT teacher at the private HS, I did not attend meetings, join committees, have responsibility for clubs or festivals or overseas field trips, or proctor exams. Nor did I write syllabuses. As a FT (non-tenured) teacher there, I did all of those things. Call that merely "assisting" the school if you will, but I don't. Every FT teacher did that, foreign and Japanese. You can't call all of them ALTs then.

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And as I pointed out, unless you have a Japanese teacher's licence, then you were listed as ALT in their books (if they didn't do it that way, and you didn't have a Japanese teacher's licence, then they would be letting unqualified people teach in their school.
Teach or assist, as you define it? I was not privy to what title I had on their books, but everyone talked about the job as a teacher, not ALT. I have a feeling that by using the word "unqualified" that you feel offended with such people (unlicensed in the formal sense) doing what people like I did. It's up to the school to decide who they want to hire directly. Some have certification (not the equivalent of a degree or license, but still far better than nothing at all). Moreover, if one looks at the actual requirements for a Japanese teacher of English, it's a joke IMO. Most are literature majors, and few actually have the language qualifications. But, I think you know that.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ALTs can also be either FT or PT direct hires. 'Direct hire' versus 'dispatch' is a totally separate thing. If you don't have a Japanese teaching license, then regardless of the title you were given, then on the books you were an ALT.

By 'ALT', I was referring to any English (or other target language) 'native' level speaking person teaching in a class who doesn't have a permanent Japanese teacher's licence. The term "ALT" doesn't really mean much other than that because some teach solo. Some sit there and do very little. Some are required to design courses, teach, grade and have meetings with parents.




Let's say you had a teaching license from the United States. Could you get a direct hire position other than an ALT job?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CarolinaBen wrote:
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ALTs can also be either FT or PT direct hires. 'Direct hire' versus 'dispatch' is a totally separate thing. If you don't have a Japanese teaching license, then regardless of the title you were given, then on the books you were an ALT.

By 'ALT', I was referring to any English (or other target language) 'native' level speaking person teaching in a class who doesn't have a permanent Japanese teacher's licence. The term "ALT" doesn't really mean much other than that because some teach solo. Some sit there and do very little. Some are required to design courses, teach, grade and have meetings with parents.




Let's say you had a teaching license from the United States. Could you get a direct hire position other than an ALT job?


Yeah... you could get an international school job (so long as you have more than a couple of years experience in your home country).
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