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Uni. of Nizwa again
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eslbear



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, evil boogey-men await you around every corner in these fake cities! One day, you are enjoying a decent salary, more recreation than you ever had at home, golfing, sailing, beach lounging, frittering away your money in bars and elegant restaurants and then, poof, some medieval dictator comes along and spills his drink in your lap - no apology !

You want to talk about evil? Google "eminent domain" and see what kind of power the "greatest democracy" in the world has over its citizens. Or look at the foreclosure mills that process people out of their homes 20 times an hour, especially in a place like Florida.

Indeed, evil exists, maybe not only where you care to look.

And, yeah, I wouldn't live in Korea either.........

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isabel



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eslbear wrote:
Yes, evil boogey-men await you around every corner in these fake cities! One day, you are enjoying a decent salary, more recreation than you ever had at home, golfing, sailing, beach lounging, frittering away your money in bars and elegant restaurants and then, poof, some medieval dictator comes along and spills his drink in your lap - no apology !

You want to talk about evil? Google "eminent domain" and see what kind of power the "greatest democracy" in the world has over its citizens. Or look at the foreclosure mills that process people out of their homes 20 times an hour, especially in a place like Florida.

Indeed, evil exists, maybe not only where you care to look.

And, yeah, I wouldn't live in Korea either.........

elsbear


Yes, and exactly how many ESLers, even at the much lauded universities there, can afford a life of golf, sailing and elegant restaurants? Of course, there are those who claim to be making $10,000 US a month teaching the young sheiks and sheikettes- but somehow I have never actually met one of these gloriously successful former patty flippers in the flesh, but I am sure they exist. Really they do.

Back to U. Nizwa. Well, to be honest, there is no golf and sailing there. Nice weekends at the beach, some diving at almost virgin beaches, and 4 wheel driving to mountains and wadis few have ever seen. Yes, little of the plastic fantastic Dubai. For this people there can be grateful.

Sure things suck in the States these days, but I didn't notice anyone contemplating that option on this thread.
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urbanversion



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:04 am    Post subject: re: finggzzz Reply with quote

To be fair it seemed to be highlighting the gay scene and targeting Brits as drunken obscenely behaved oafs...
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isabel



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:49 am    Post subject: Re: re: finggzzz Reply with quote

urbanversion wrote:
To be fair it seemed to be highlighting the gay scene and targeting Brits as drunken obscenely behaved oafs...


and?
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urbanversion



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:22 am    Post subject: re: finggzzzz Reply with quote

And nothing...just it wasn't a wholly anti american/anti western tirade...there was also the issue of workers rights, which I believe is at the core?
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isabel



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worker's rights have been trounced on in the States, but they rise barely to the level of slavery around the Gulf.

In the neoliberal universe, the interests of workers fall to the bottom of political concerns. I expect the revolutions going on in the ME and north Africa will result in a world safer for global markets, I mean, er, democracy.

I'm not sure how the conversation got here- but it beats the hell out of golf in Dubai.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isabel wrote:
Back to U. Nizwa. Well, to be honest, there is no golf and sailing there. Nice weekends at the beach, some diving at almost virgin beaches, and 4 wheel driving to mountains and wadis few have ever seen. Yes, little of the plastic fantastic Dubai. For this people there can be grateful.

Yes, time to back away from politics before it descends into padlocking.

These jobs in the outback of Oman should be looked at as a place to start... a place to put on the CV that provides experience in the area, experience teaching Arabic speakers, and experience in a foundation program. Finish your contract... or do a couple and start an MA online with an accredited university that you could transfer and finish it on campus.

Go with the expectation of inept and/or inexperienced management and "colorful" fellow teachers (both in a good and bad way). And if you really can't tolerate it and find yourself one of the constant whingers, head back to a part of the world that you find more congenial.

VS
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urbanversion



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:27 am    Post subject: re: agreed Reply with quote

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. And if you really can't tolerate it and find yourself one of the constant whingers, head back to a part of the world that you find more congenial.


One thing we can agree on Twisted Evil
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Turbster



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
isabel wrote:
Back to U. Nizwa. Well, to be honest, there is no golf and sailing there. Nice weekends at the beach, some diving at almost virgin beaches, and 4 wheel driving to mountains and wadis few have ever seen. Yes, little of the plastic fantastic Dubai. For this people there can be grateful.

Yes, time to back away from politics before it descends into padlocking.

These jobs in the outback of Oman should be looked at as a place to start... a place to put on the CV that provides experience in the area, experience teaching Arabic speakers, and experience in a foundation program. Finish your contract... or do a couple and start an MA online with an accredited university that you could transfer and finish it on campus.

Go with the expectation of inept and/or inexperienced management and "colorful" fellow teachers (both in a good and bad way). And if you really can't tolerate it and find yourself one of the constant whingers, head back to a part of the world that you find more congenial.

VS


As I have come to expect, the issue has now been beautifully summarised with a pragmatic approach on arrival, and a practical departure strategy. Both philosophically acceptable, and personally rewarding, don't you think? Cool
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urbanversion



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:42 am    Post subject: re: hmmmmzzzzz Reply with quote

The issue has been summarised...it seems VS still has her ten cents to chip in?!
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Warning Bells



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:55 pm    Post subject: Re: re: agreed Reply with quote

urbanversion wrote:
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. And if you really can't tolerate it and find yourself one of the constant whingers, head back to a part of the world that you find more congenial.


One thing we can agree on Twisted Evil

Agreed. I'll drink to that! Wink
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urbanversion



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:16 am    Post subject: re: hmmm...war Reply with quote

But not the falaj...me don't like those arrogant oil workers...
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happyroofus



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VS: I have to say, you've nailed the whole why-Nizwa or even why-any-uni-in-Nizwa issue. It's 100% bang on: a great place to "try out" as a first-time Gulf-based esl'er, expect low standards (all round), do the 2/3 years, and get the hell out once it's started to fry you. And with Nizwa, it's truly not hard to realize that one could be doing much better elsewhere.

Though I would add, that Nizwa itself has become a lot more uncomfortable to live in these days, and I'm not talking about the weather: cafes with late night soccer games have been sprouting up all over the place, usually right under or near residences; a population of young (and generally unemployed) men have come of age all over Nizwa, at a time when "entitlement" seems to be the mentality of their particular generation; more cars, more traffic, and therefore more insanity to deal with while on the way to and from the Suq. In short, it's certainly not the little quiet charming place it used to be. Hell, there's even a Lulu's a about to open up!

God be with the days when you could just stick out a thumb at nine pm at night somewhere in Firq and a very friendly, elderly Omani would stop to pick you up, ask you where you were going, and then not attempt to charge you 5 Riyals for a kilometer ride to a place that was not actually on his way..

Not much of the old Oman left, really. (Though the goat suq on the weekends is still a bit of a kick!)
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urbanversion



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:29 am    Post subject: re: bizwaaahhh! Reply with quote

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more cars, more traffic, and therefore more insanity to deal with while on the way to and from the Suq


And no footbridges or subways to avoid the traffic, after the pedestrian, the driver comes FIRST:(
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posh



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thread this. Shame to hear about small town Oman losing its atmosphere.

Here's another article about the money culture: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2011/04/dubai-201104
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