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University or language mill vis-a-vis social life

 
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lukebrinkworth



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:43 am    Post subject: University or language mill vis-a-vis social life Reply with quote

Hello,

I'm sure this question has been asked before, but the search option doesn't seem to be working for me.

I'm looking to head to China and my first tefl job around mid/late August, which seems to be a good time to find a university job. I've already applied to EF and a couple of other language schools. My question is, which is better in terms of sociability, a university job or language school job? As I'll be in China alone, it would be good to know that there are other tefl teachers to socialise with.

Thanks in advance.

Luke.
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7969



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

unless you start looking right now your prospects for a fall university job are going to be slim. On the other hand you'll have no problem with the other kind of school, the privately owned language school. They hire all the time.

Any school is fine for sociability. It all depends on where you end up and what kind of person YOU are.
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Riviello



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it depends on where the university is located. If it is in or less than 30 minute taxi ride to downtown, then a university would be better, in my opinion.

Why? No nights or weekends, as well as other teachers to possibly hang out with.

Most training centers are in the city, which is good, but, you will work nights and weekends and may not have much time to enjoy yourself. Most training centers, such as Wall St., will give you just 1 weekend day off = not much time to recuperate if you are young and want to hang out in the local bars on Friday night, rest Saturday and then work Sunday morning.

On the other hand, if you are a bit older (30 - 40), you may be able to socialize with your adult students from a training center.

Basically, how old are you? If under 30, I say look for a university job in or very close to the city. Most universities are located an hour or so outside downtown though. If older, you may prefer a training center job.
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Lister



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say both options offer decent potential social opportunities.

A better way to approach this could be to look at the jobs that most interest you first, then when you have some options to choose from you could look at the social life variables such as location, hours,days off, co - workers etc and make your decision based on these.

It would have to be a really good social life to make up for a job you took which you're unsuited to and hate.
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slareth



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="DosEquisX"]
7969 wrote:


Any school is fine for sociability. It all depends on where you end up and what kind of person YOU are.


MOD EDIT

...that.... and it's far easier for damn near anyone to get a job in China. Sometimes that attracts...interesting....people. I can understand why some foreigners avoid others.

Anyway, yeah. It's up to you really. Unless you are in some backwater village there are usually others to socialize with if you look.
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Zero



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most training centers, such as Wall St., will give you just 1 weekend day off = not much time to recuperate if you are young and want to hang out in the local bars on Friday night, rest Saturday and then work Sunday morning.


Isn't that the funny thing about western culture and social life. You drink for five or six hours one night. Then you spend the next 24 hours feeling so terrible you can't do anything but "recuperate." Lots of fun!

(I stick to coffee these days. Guess I'm not much fun.)
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nickpellatt



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lister wrote:

It would have to be a really good social life to make up for a job you took which you're unsuited to and hate.



This is an important point. There is a thread on this page about 'being a serious teacher in China' that paints a pretty damning picture of Uni teaching in China IMO. Add in the fact that you could be miles out of town and away from the nightlife, and that there may not be many other FTs and you have a picture that would prevent me from ever applying for a Uni job.

Of course, you can also read threads that list a few horrors of teaching at a language school too. All jobs are not created equal, and you need to give careful consideration to the type of work you do, the age group you teach and the hours and location. Bear in mind NOT all language schools will ask you to work evenings and weekends.

My requirements are normally in this order.
*teaching. Small classes (less than 10 students) and adults only.
*location. Smaller places preferred, cities with more than 1 million are a no no.
*teaching hours and duties. I dont want to work weekends or evenings.

Generally, I feel that if I get the above right, the social side of things will look after itself.
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bradley



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would suggest a university if you value free time. You'll get long holidays.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Korea focused posting has been deleted and another edited for the same reason. If such comments continue, this thread will not and be accompanied by sanctions.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=85563
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Lobster



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should probably think about these two things as being quite separate. For one thing, you may find that you have little contact with the other FTs you work with. For another, they may not be people you want to socialize with, or you may realize that it's best to keep these two aspects apart.

I've always thought that good social relationships had a basis in mutual interests and compatibility. After you settle into your job, you can go and check out the bars, restaurants or coffee shops and find the ones that suit you.

Bigger cities seem to be harder to make friends in. Nanjing was a lot of fun, but man we burnt through the cash and got into trouble a lot. Now that I'm a coffee-drinking homebody, I don't think about it as much.

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