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simon_capetown



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:38 am    Post subject: Advice needed from qualified, experienced ESL lifers... Reply with quote

Hi
This is going to be a bit of a long post as I have a few questions about ESL as a potential career.
My story in short:
I m 37 years old and graduated from university in South Africa many years ago with a degree in Industrial Psychology. Since then I have owned and operated my own businesses. They have ranged from owning a restaurant, manufacturing companies and a security company.

Last year I deceded I needed a change in my life. I sold my existing business, paid up the mortgages on my existing properties and applied to the Epik program in Korea. I then did a CELTA qualification.

In February I arrived in Busan and have been teaching here for the last couple of months.

I am enjoying teaching, but I realise that to get ahead in this game I need additional qualifications and I am going back to my University in Cape Town next year to do my PGCE and then coming back to Korea for another year.

My questions are the following:
1.Once I have my PGCE, how many years experiece would I need before I would be considered for good jobs in the ME, Thailand, Vietnam or China?
2. My long term plan is to retire to a "cheap" country in about 15 years time. My current properties in Cape Town give me a rental income of about 2000 USD per month.

To those long term teachers out there, is my plan feasible and have any of you followed a similar path?

Thanking you for your replies in advance
Simon
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denise



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good ME jobs generally ask for previous experience (2 years should be enough) in tertiary education, so when you go back to Korea, aim for university jobs. Otherwise, your experience might not count.

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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:13 am    Post subject: Re: Advice needed from qualified, experienced ESL lifers... Reply with quote

simon_capetown wrote:
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I am enjoying teaching, but I realize that to get ahead in this game I need additional qualifications and I am going back to my University in Cape Town next year to do my PGCE and then coming back to Korea for another year.

My questions are the following:
1.Once I have my PGCE, how many years experience would I need before I would be considered for good jobs in the ME, Thailand, Vietnam or China?
2. My long term plan is to retire to a "cheap" country in about 15 years time. My current properties in Cape Town give me a rental income of about 2000 USD per month.

To those long term teachers out there, is my plan feasible and have any of you followed a similar path?

Thanking you for your replies in advance
Simon


1) Typically (in my personal experience):
a) For K-12 positions as a teacher (ESL or international school) you will need 2 years of post grad experience in the classroom PLUS home country certification as a teacher.
b) For (better) tertiary positions a related MA / M.Ed is needed for the better jobs and you will need a combined total of 5 years of experience.

2) Retirement issues vary not so much as a result of your income (although that does have a bearing on it) but on your visa status within the country you choose to move to. Being from South Africa DOES pose some limitations (visa availability) that some of the other "native speaker" countries do not have to deal with.

My path has not been dissimilar with the exception being that I didn't buy my property until AFTER I started in ESL (you had a head start on me there).

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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 years experience for intl school jobs is the norm.

$2000 a month should be fine. We also plan to go the rental property route.
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simon_capetown



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To everyone, thanks for the replies so far

@naturegirl321, I tried to reply to your pm but unfortunately don't have enough posts.

@tompatz, thanks for the advice. I plan to use ESL as a stepping stone to living in some countries which I might not have been able to do. I don't think my South African passport is too much of an issue in Asia. i know in Europe it is, not sure about South America. Where have you bought property, if you dont mind me asking?

Does anyone know if some universities recognise PGCE for job positions? I'm not agains doing my masters or DELTA at a later stage, but I figure PGCE will give me a slight edge agains most of the people applying for ESL positions.

Also, do you think my age , 37 , will prohibit a long career in ESL. i'm prepared get some qualifications, but have I left it too late?

Any advice is appreciated, thanks
Simon
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

simon_capetown wrote:
To everyone, thanks for the replies so far

@naturegirl321, I tried to reply to your pm but unfortunately don't have enough posts.

@tompatz, thanks for the advice. I plan to use ESL as a stepping stone to living in some countries which I might not have been able to do. I don't think my South African passport is too much of an issue in Asia. i know in Europe it is, not sure about South America. Where have you bought property, if you don't mind me asking?

Does anyone know if some universities recognize PGCE for job positions? I'm not against doing my masters or DELTA at a later stage, but I figure PGCE will give me a slight edge against most of the people applying for ESL positions.

Also, do you think my age , 37 , will prohibit a long career in ESL. i'm prepared get some qualifications, but have I left it too late?

Any advice is appreciated, thanks
Simon


For a (ESL) work visa your passport is not much of an issue in Korea but in other countries and/or for long term (work visas are little better than migrant workers) it may be (will be) an issue.

Since starting work in ESL we (my wife and I - single income earner family) have bought (and paid for) property in Canada (house in a major metro region) and the Philippines (5 hectare farm with custom built house).

Most universities WON'T recognize a PGCE / PGDE / DELTA in lieu of a Masters. If they would accept you with it they would accept you without it (some low tier unis will accept native speakers with only a BA + some experience).

Also be aware that any uni who will hire you without a relevant MA/ABD/PhD will also pay like crap (low class hours but really low net wages as well). You'd make far better money (as well as benefits) working in a bilingual / international school teaching K-12.

37 is not too late to get started (I was older than that when I changed careers and switched to ESL).

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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I had that income I would live as a rentier !
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

simon_capetown wrote:
Also, do you think my age , 37 , will prohibit a long career in ESL. i'm prepared get some qualifications, but have I left it too late?

I started my ESL career at your age. My first career was as an accountant, but I did have an old BA in Secondary Education that I had never used. I owned a home with a mortgage in the US, but rented it out while overseas teaching. I applied for and received a Fellowship to get an MA in TEFL at the American University in Cairo. After graduation, I went to the Gulf and was able to retire at 52 with a combination of my invested salary and appreciation of my US property.

So, I don't think you're too late if you update your credentials quickly.

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simon_capetown



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@veiledsentiments
Thanks. That is exactly my plan. Glad to hear from someone who has accomplished this already. I figure that as my properties are paid off, I should save close to 45 000 USD this year (my salary in Korea and my rentals from my properties)
Would you mind telling me how you invested your money after your mortgage was paid up?
I would like to buy some property in Thailand or the Philipines at some stage. I know that foreigners are not allowed to own land, but can invest in apartments.
Anyway, appreciate the advice
Simon
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

simon_capetown wrote:
@veiledsentiments
Thanks. That is exactly my plan. Glad to hear from someone who has accomplished this already. I figure that as my properties are paid off, I should save close to 45 000 USD this year (my salary in Korea and my rentals from my properties)
Would you mind telling me how you invested your money after your mortgage was paid up?

Sorry... don't wander up to this section daily, especially if I am busy. I invested in a variety of stocks and funds based on my own research... and the choices that worked then may not work now. What I find is that if you have the ability to do it yourself (choose your own companies/funds), you will normally do better than handing the money over to some so-called advisers. But, I realize that not everyone can do that. I personally looked at conservative long term investments in products that produce dividend/interest income.

Now with internet brokerage accounts, it is easy to self-direct. For instance, I moved all of my investments into a Wells Fargo account and once your balance is over a certain amount, one gets 100 free trades per year. Once through the original paper chase - which took about 4 months because of dividend timing issues - it works very nicely.

I got rid of my real estate because of the headache of dealing with rentals and reinvested that cash in REITs - Real Estate Investment Trusts. That way they deal with all the leases and rentals and plumbing issues while I get a nice share of the profits. Laughing

VS
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simon_capetown



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VM, Thanks for the info.
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MotherF



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd go for the MA over the PGCE. You could even do a distance one while in Korea. The University of Stellenbosch has one as does UNISA.

You could retire comfortably in Mexico and most of Central America on US $2000 a month. But that could change in 15 years time.
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