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Sashadroogie
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| Any royal wedding? Royalty is now an exclusively British institution? How myopic. |
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bulgogiboy
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| you could go to youtube and get all the shots of the Abbey you want. This is mass mind control. Same as Super Bowl, or plastic houses in LA. Wouldnt catch me going to any of this stuff. History? Tyrannical history of inbred war mongers and globalists. Blood for Empire doesnt turn me on, sorry. |
It seems not many here agree with you Gumi, but I agree wholeheartedly. Nothing distinguishes these people from anyone else except their bloodlines. I find adulation of any sort distasteful, but particularly when the adored have not earned such attention through exceptional deeds, bravery, or talent. I don't even want to see the faces of these slugs in a newspaper let alone watch coverage of their wedding on television. |
I tend to agree. "For richer or poorer" - Yeah, right! I'm guessing the latter part of that vow won't be an issue somehow... 
Being a former cult member, I despise unwarranted, and perhaps even warranted, adulation of others. It just makes me cringe. That's not to say I wish the happy couple harm or think they are bad people, but what exactly have they done to deserve such attention?? The royal family is a prime example of the 'us and them' system that permeates and divides British society.
I have a lot more admiration for the scandalously underpaid and overworked construction workers in this country (KSA) who have to undergo back-breaking work for 14+ hours in the 40C heat every single day, than I do for two silver-spoon sucking over-privileged members of the 'hoy polloy'.
And it doesn't matter how many people watched the wedding. People pack out stadiums to watch 'Wrestlemania' for god's sake, it doesn't make it compelling viewing!
By the way, I'm British and none of the British teachers in my company gave a hoot about the wedding either.  |
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Aristede
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 1:04 am Post subject: |
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Tracy Ullman has been quoted :
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She is a satirical comedian. She also said " America is the good, the bad and the absolutely ridiculous" and also the US is " now able to laugh at itself more".
Unless you are British, you cannot understand the history or pageantry behind any royal wedding. We don't expect you to. |
The best satirical comedians shine the light of truth through humor. She does it well whether talking about Britain or America.
It appears that most who have expressed an opinion in this thread are British, and the majority are opposed to the spectacle.
So I don't think where one comes from is the determining factor. Some of us believe that deeds and character warrant celebration. Others favor lineage. |
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PC Parrot
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| Aristede wrote: |
| I don't even want to see the faces of these slugs in a newspaper let alone watch coverage of their wedding on television. |
From my perspective, some of you have behaved like anti-establishment teenage mis-fits .. and no I'm not a royalist or a monarchist .. and no I'm not nationalistic either .. I just like history ..
You guys obviously get no pleasure from the art & architecture created from time immemorial under the patronage of rulers or citizens of great power .. or do you really think that people in power in the past got there by being nice ..
You obviously don't appreciate Ottoman history either ... or do you foolishly imagine that the Ottomans were greeted by cheering crowds as they migrated from central Asia to the gates of Vienna ...
Would you have watched the wedding procession of a Ming Dynasty Emperor or a Maharaja if you had happened to be there at the time, or would you have thrown your tissy fit and refused to watch it on principle ...
There's not much of the anthropologist in you ... but that's the price one pays for being 'cool' |
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Otterman Ollie
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| Oh dear this is much worse than I thought! History seems to be wasted on you people, you just have this huge line between the haves and the havenots. I too share a work environment with anti-royals who seem to have an axe to grind about the extreme favours these people have to put up with. yet strangely enough, no one would change places with them! I just see envy and bile from people who should be proud of their country's history and heritage. why should people be ashamed of their country. |
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Aristede
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:43 am Post subject: |
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There's not much of the anthropologist in you ... but that's the price one pays for being 'cool' |
Anthropologist or misanthrope? I think I might be a bit of both.
I don't understand why you insist on conflating the issues of adulation and classic architecture. Sure, individuals and regimes that committed atrocious acts also were responsible for creating works of majestic beauty. So what? I can be awed by the Egyptian pyramids and still think it's a sin that they were raised through generations of slave labor.
If you're saying that the royal wedding was worth watching because you got to see Westminster Abbey, then fine. What I and others here have objected to is fascination with the royals themselves--their family relations, their clothes, their animals, their eating habits. None of this stems from love of history or tradition. It is just another form of celebrity fixation. |
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billy orr
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| Ollie, may I ask what you say to students who ask you about the place of all the pomp and circumstance of royalty, house of lords and so on, in a modern democracy in the 21st century? |
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PC Parrot
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| If you're saying that the royal wedding was worth watching because you got to see Westminster Abbey, then fine. |
If you look at what I've written, all I have ever said is that it was interesting to see Westminster Abbey hosting an event for which it was built.
You, on the other hand, totally dismissed history. You did this when you quoted and agreed with Gloomy, who was directly disagreeing with something I had said. I pointed this out before.
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| History? Tyrannical history of inbred war mongers and globalists. Blood for Empire doesnt turn me on, sorry. |
Now you seem to be backtracking. |
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Aristede
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If you look at what I've written, all I have ever said is that it was interesting to see Westminster Abbey hosting an event for which it was built.
You, on the other hand, totally dismissed history. |
Maybe you can clarify what you mean by "dismissing history," and exactly how one does that. Are you talking about historic ritual based on tradition, people connected to those traditions, historic structures, or something else?
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I don't believe so. On which point? |
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Otterman Ollie
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| Billy the kids are generally fairly interested in the royal family esp since the death of Diania and they believe in the conspiracy theory. This show of pomp and pagentry is something that rarely happens here (unless they get a foreign royal visit) so they have a healthy interest and don't see how much better off the royals are. |
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gloomyGumi
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| why should people be ashamed of their country. |
uhhh, errr, maybe you'd want to ask a German citizen in about 1946 how he felt about his pride in what his country did in the previous 10 years? perhaps he felt a bit ashamed?  |
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Otterman Ollie
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| ????????????????????????*WTF****** has that got to do with this topic? oh yeah sorry the royals are actually German, gottit!when it comes to shame I feel more ashamed with t**ats like you who knock the royals! |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Workers' Paradise - the only way forward! |
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billy orr
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| Right on Sasha, that's what I call a real sense of history. |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| It's as good as any of the propaganda that has been lauded on this thread - and just as credible... |
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