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JZer



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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering the lack of knowledge of many Asians outside of their professional knowledge, I don't really know how you can call them every educated.
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MarkM



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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am working in China, and I am dismayed at how narrow and limited the education seems to be. The fundamental problem, in my opinion, is that education here is prescriptive and rote-learning based. If students commit new information to memory, the learning is considered to have been successful. Period. In western countries, education is becoming increasingly student-centered and discovery based. Students link appropriate new information to prior knowledge in a way that enables them to construct new knowledge, which they are expected to use creatively. In other words, they learn to think for themselves. Discovery based education may appear to be less disciplined and is harder work for the teacher. But it produces much better results.

I am amazed that Asian countries are able to sustain such high economic growth rates in spite of the pitiful state of their education systems. I am dismayed by the almost total absence of the arts and very little evidence of creativity. The cultural revolution did a lot of damage in the past, but without a more liberated educational system nothing is going to change.

From a teaching perspective, this situation creates frustrations. Students have been conditioned into the memorisation mind-set and don't respond well to opportunities for creative thinking.

Rant over! Wink
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halcyon Chimera wrote:
Basically, it boils down to -- do I want to take a pay cut and go overseas and enjoy myself? (have opportunities to travel and actually have a life) or stay here and drive myself insane in this school... I'm leaning to the former..

And I want to teach ESL, not ELA. Thanks for the input.


Um, there are plenty of TEFL jobs abroad that require people to teach 25 to 30 hours a week, plus lesson plan, create material, write reports, etc. And some people have trouble enjoying themselves in a completely different country where they can communicate or even read.

Just say, the grass is alwyas greener on the other side of the fence. It's great teaching overseas, but don't expect it to be perfect.

You could land an intl job, no probs, but pay might be an issue. As to teaching in a uni, I got my first uni job a couple days after I turned 22 and only had 1.5 years under my belt. Still wasn't paid a lot, but it was a start. It's also probably not that common, but I had a connection as well.

Intl school job, sure, maybe, but not at the top schools or the top countries and you might be getting paid pretty poorly too.

Also, don't forget that in some countries tutoring is illegal, and some employers also frown upon outside jobs. Some intl schools actually put it in the contract forbidding it.

AS for education, Finland seems to score in the top often. Asians score well in Science and Maths, things that have to be memorised, but have them do creative writing and many will cringe

Why not simply send out your CV or attend intl school job fairs and see? You could ask us and we could tell you, but you're not going to know for sure until you try, are you? Smile
Best of luck!
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JZer



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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkM wrote:
I am working in China, and I am dismayed at how narrow and limited the education seems to be. The fundamental problem, in my opinion, is that education here is prescriptive and rote-learning based. If students commit new information to memory, the learning is considered to have been successful. Period. In western countries, education is becoming increasingly student-centered and discovery based. Students link appropriate new information to prior knowledge in a way that enables them to construct new knowledge, which they are expected to use creatively. In other words, they learn to think for themselves. Discovery based education may appear to be less disciplined and is harder work for the teacher. But it produces much better results.

I am amazed that Asian countries are able to sustain such high economic growth rates in spite of the pitiful state of their education systems. I am dismayed by the almost total absence of the arts and very little evidence of creativity. The cultural revolution did a lot of damage in the past, but without a more liberated educational system nothing is going to change.

From a teaching perspective, this situation creates frustrations. Students have been conditioned into the memorisation mind-set and don't respond well to opportunities for creative thinking.

Rant over! Wink


Part of the reason Asian countries grow is that they were really far behind. If we look from 1980-2011, it would have been dificult for the United States or Europe to grow much. With high labor cost and a lack of certain resources, it is not suprising that growth in the Far East has been so high in the last 30 years.
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