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rogerwilco
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 Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 3:54 am Post subject: Schools that do not want you to visit before you start ?? |
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I am seeking a new university job, and twice recruiters have interviewed me by phone and offered me a job.
I am in China now. Both times I told them that I can visit the universities in person before I start work, and both times I later received a message that they had "found someone else".
One university is in Wuhu, and the other is in Suzhou.
Other than there being something that they are trying to hide, why would the recruiter or school not want me to visit the school before working there ? |
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7969
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| I think the answer's clear. Recruiters don't want you to be in contact with the employer before you sign the contract with them. If you get to visit the school first then you'll sign the contract with the school directly and the recruiter loses out. |
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daCabbie
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| twice recruiters have interviewed me by phone and offered me a job |
The recruiter is not making you an 'offer'. They are simply telling you about an 'opening'. Then when you say you are interested in the school, the recruiter calls the school (or another agency) to see if the job is still 'open'.
Schools might have ten or twenty recruiters contact them everyday with possible teachers. Hence exclusive contracts.
Your two 'recruiters' are bottom feeders, they find ads for openings and then try to sell the positions to teachers and teachers to schools. Good recruiters(haha oxymoron) have exclusive contracts with schools. The schools cannot list the position on their own and only that recruiter can advertise for that opening (granted that recruiter can split/sub-it with another recruiter). It's a complicated business.
Just keep looking. Your question, "can I come to visit first?" is very common and not the problem. I have gone to visit all of my schools (4) before I signed. |
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mat chen
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| They are afraid they will be cut out of their commision. Chinese weakness at the moment. Hopefully it will change. |
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dog backwards
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 6:44 am Post subject: |
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All of the above.
It IS possible that the living conditions are so bad that neither the school or the recruiter won't want you to see the school first, but I doubt it. Those schools usually have other problems and are willing to do anything to get somebody in to sign.
da Cabbie's 'bottom feeders' scenario is most likely.
Whatever the reason, your being told that the job has been filled saved you the time spent in further investigation. |
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bythebookie
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| mat chen wrote: |
| They are afraid they will be cut out of their commision. Chinese weakness at the moment. Hopefully it will change. |
Really ?
Are you saying that recruiters have no right to conduct business or make a living ? |
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rogerwilco
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 9:06 am Post subject: |
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It will be difficult to know the truth, but one of the schools did have two of their teachers also interview me by phone.
I asked to visit the school when I replied to the follow-up email.
I had not thought about it, but fear of getting cut out of commissions does seem like a possible answer. |
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bradley
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| Just get a job directly. You don't need a recruiter. |
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dog backwards
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| rogerwilco wrote: |
It will be difficult to know the truth, but one of the schools did have two of their teachers also interview me by phone.
I asked to visit the school when I replied to the follow-up email.
I had not thought about it, but fear of getting cut out of commissions does seem like a possible answer. |
If you have had direct contact with the school via email or phone, the recruiter isn't a factor. If the job has been advertised by the school via job board or by advertisement to a pool of recruiters, the recruiter who presents the successful candidate gets the commission. I don't know about language mills or private schools, but public schools work that way. The school doesn't want to alienate the same folks who bring in fresh faces year after year.
If the jobs for which you were refused were publicly advertised by the schools, it is very likely that several freelance recruiters saw it and presented candidates within a short space of time, and someone was hired before you were considered or someone whom the school considers more qualified was given the job. It is also possible that the schools will continue to wait for the "right" teacher.
What you should concern yourself with is the one school that interviewed you. Try to remember the questions that you were asked, and try to remember your responses that seemed to turn the interviewer(s) off. Be prepared to present answers that will put you in a more positive light.
Keep looking. |
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askiptochina
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What is stopping you from visiting the school? "We have a school in ___" SHOULD NOT be enough to take any job.
Talk with the school on the phone. Find out where they are located and visit them without directly involving the recruiter. |
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mrwslee003
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If you are already in China, you should be allowed to visit the school,
unless the recruiter is trying to hide something from you. Or he/she is
just on a power trip!
Also there is no rule to stop you from phoning the school and tell them your wish to visit the school before starting work, with or without telling the recruiter.
I had an interview with HuiJia in Beijing and I visited with the FTs there
before deciding against teaching there.
Its your job and your life, so take control. |
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