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xsbir
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 Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:39 pm Post subject: Indonesia to Kick Out 90% of English Teachers? |
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Hi Everyone:
I found this on one of Jakarta's most popular blogs, Ross's Right Angle, (http://rossrightangle.info/) the other day and thought it would be of interest here.
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A new regulation from the Indonesian authorities could see the great majority of expat English teachers packing their bags for pastures new.
The story surfaced as a rumour among the teaching community a month or two back, but nobody took it seriously.
But this week, while it may not have hit the headlines yet, the s�t has certainly hit the fan among the thousands of foreign gurus across the archipelago......if the rule currently being promulgated prevails, only teachers who have obtained a degree in education will be eligible to seek and get employment in Indonesian schools. |
What would you do if this rule passes? Upgrade or uproot? |
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malu
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:38 am Post subject: |
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It's a bit like asking what you would do if the sky turned into blueberry jam. It isn't going to happen - end of.
Not so very long ago there were naysayers on this very forum predicting that international schools would go bust and former nat plus schools would lay off expat staff etc etc. That didn't happen either.
I can only assume either 1) These rumours are put around by unscrupulous employers to scare staff into accepting poorer terms, or 2) They are put around by failing teachers to provide a face-saving excuse for getting the push - i.e. I was a good teacher really, it was just because of the regulations that they got rid of me. |
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phis
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| Here we go again....... !!!!! |
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xsbir
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| malu wrote: |
It's a bit like asking what you would do if the sky turned into blueberry jam. It isn't going to happen - end of.
Not so very long ago there were naysayers on this very forum predicting that international schools would go bust and former nat plus schools would lay off expat staff etc etc. That didn't happen either.
I can only assume either 1) These rumours are put around by unscrupulous employers to scare staff into accepting poorer terms, or 2) They are put around by failing teachers to provide a face-saving excuse for getting the push - i.e. I was a good teacher really, it was just because of the regulations that they got rid of me. |
So dismissive. Often rumours become fact in Indonesia, but they can take some time. The country has a long history of imposing stiff regulations on foreigners. Ask the Chinese.
The fact remains that Indonesia only needs to strictly enforce the existing requirements for English teachers, like having an actual degree, to send many away and keep new ones out. |
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malu
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| I don't know what you teach your students, but I tell mine they had better have more rigorous sources than a personal blog on the internet if their essay is to get a pass grade. |
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KayuJati
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Well, maybe their math isn't very good either. If they decide to kick out 90% of the TESL teachers, perhaps they will allow the other 90% to remain.
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Bule_Gila
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This sounds like a bunch of codswallop, mixed with sheer poppycock!
With the state that Indonesia is in now, and will be in for the foreseeable future, it is unlikely that a law remotely resembling this will come into effect. Indonesia and globalization have become a hot topic here for several years and I think this would be a step backwards towards the goal of globalization. Not to mention, that it is IMPOSSIBLE for any country in the world, to claim that ALL of its ESL teachers hold a degree. Even in the more strict countries this is not the case, so I don't think this is factual at all |
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basiltherat
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| it is IMPOSSIBLE for any country in the world, to claim that ALL of its ESL teachers hold a degree. |
Well, maybe the ongoing commercial about Indonesia is true and they might manage what others have found unmanageable. 'Remarkable' ?
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Mr. Sauce
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| Anyone have any updates on this? I have yet to see any hard evidence... |
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marcusuk
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| I was told that there is a law in place but the enforcement is that any degree is acceptable. However they've tightened up age restrictions to 25-45. |
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tonycakes
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| I have been in contact with wall street and EF schools the actual rule is thus: your degree has to be in English or an English related degree. EF I believe are currently getting away with pushing through applicants with any old degree (how I don't know lol) but wall street strictly enforce this policy due I guess to their own higher standards |
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clifton10
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 2:52 am Post subject: Rules and Regulations |
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Having recently applied for and accepted for a teaching post in Indo, I am taking the new rules very seriously. OK, I have a Bachelor degree(unrelated to English or Education) and I'm 50 years of age9althoug I don't look it ). I'm holidaying right now in Bangkok and while I am HOPING that the new rules are not enforced, I am seriously considering flying back to the USA and proceed with getting a gig in Turkey. Now is that a justifiable action on my part?
Also, for the other teachers w/o an Education or English degree, which countries are you looking at? In my opinion, Indonesia is looking at shooting itself in the foot. I mean, come on! A degree is a degree be it Education, Engineering or Food Science(which I've studied at university).
What are the chances that the Indo government will change it's mind? |
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basiltherat
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| What are the chances that the Indo government will change it's mind? |
I think it's unlikely they will 'change their minds'; that would be losing face and making them look incompetent which, culturally, is a no-no.
More likely, (unless mindsets in the bureaucracy have changed since I left several years ago) is that the new rule will not be implemented in any shape or form at all. When they have finally worked out that the rule was ridiculous, they will pass another 'rule' with, hopefully, something a little bit more sensible and reasonable.
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