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thesteve



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See, i would welcome the challenge to teach in public school like that. Just because the school looks like a warzone doesnt mean there aren't any diamonds in the rough as far as students go. And sometimes, you can accomplish the most amazing things with poorer students.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thesteve wrote:
See, i would welcome the challenge to teach in public school like that. Just because the school looks like a warzone doesnt mean there aren't any diamonds in the rough as far as students go. And sometimes, you can accomplish the most amazing things with poorer students.


Pay is also an issue.

Discipline, etc. It's easy to SAY that you would do it, but donig it is totally different. I taught in two private schools in Peru: one bilingual and one international. After seeing the trouble I and other teachers had at a private school, i wouldn't want to teach at a public school.

So are visas. Public schools are for the public. You, as a foreigner, are taking jobs away from the locals. They don't want that. getting a visa is going to be a nightmare.

Also, you're going to run into logistic probs. in Peru, you must have a PERUVIAN license in order to teach in public schools. That means about two years of schooling, all in Spanish.

there's a raeson why high needs schools in the US are begging for teachers and offer alternative certs. Teachers don't want to teach there. I suggest you try teaching at apublic school in the US for a year, an inner city school, or one in a poor distrcit, before you come to teach in one in Latin America.
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just_a_mirage



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nature Girl is correct. Its not that it wouldnt be a great thing to teach in a public school in Ecuador. You would not be allowed to, unless you have a permanant resident visa and a cedula. They will not hire a foreigner to teach in a public school unless they have permanant residency, because they cannot justify sponsoring a visa for them. There are many, many Ecuadorians who are able to teach there, and since the level of English in public schools is generally so low, they dont feel they need native speakers. I worked in a teacher training program for English for public school teachers and found them generally to be ill prepared to teach English. There are fundacion schools which are offered at very low cost to poor students, and you might consider these. The students are so grateful to get a place in these schools and they work very hard. I have worked in one, and it was very rewarding. But again, it comes down to pay. I dont think anyone who has to pay rent, their own food, transportation costs to school, medical, being able to travel a little, etc, etc would be able to live on $260 a month. And some of these schools are notorious for paying late. If you go two months without a check, will you have the money in savings to get by? And also, there arent that many public schools here. There are many, many more private schools in all ranges of prices. There is plenty of opportunity to work with poor students in low cost private schools or fundaction schools.
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CelesteCielos



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:


Pay is also an issue.


I don't want anyone messing with my paycheck, bottom line. So no public school for me. But if I want to work at a bilingual school or language institute, can I find one in the smaller towns too? And does a colegio count as a public school with all the horrors described above, or are they better?

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Celeste
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CelesteCielos



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:


Pay is also an issue.


I don't want anyone messing with my paycheck, bottom line. So no public school for me. But if I want to work at a bilingual school or language institute, can I find one in the smaller towns too? And does a colegio count as a public school with all the horrors described above, or are they better?

Thanks,
Celeste
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spanglish



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colegio is Spanish for a K-12 school. People work in a 'colegio p�blico' (public school) or a 'colegio privado' (private school). Usually when people refer to working at a 'colegio' on Dave's ESL Cafe they're talking about a private school.
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just_a_mirage



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are not many English Institutes in small towns. Not so many bilingual schools either, although you may find regular private schools with English curriculums that could work as well, If you wanted to go to a medium-size town, there would be more options. Unfortunately, it all boils down to money. Schools in the smaller towns dont have as much money to pay for English curriculums, training and materials. There are foundation schools in some of the smaller areas that might work, but again, pay would be extremely low. I would love to teach in a small town somewhere along the coast, that would be a dream to me. I have permanant residency and a cedula, but just cant find anything that would allow me to take care of my kids. We are extremely frugal, but I just dont think we could make it on the pay level offered in the smaller towns. If you have enough savings to live on, thats a totally different story, but to actually live on minimum wages with nothing to supplement would be extremely difficult.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CelesteCielos wrote:
naturegirl321 wrote:


Pay is also an issue.


I don't want anyone messing with my paycheck, bottom line. So no public school for me. But if I want to work at a bilingual school or language institute, can I find one in the smaller towns too? And does a colegio count as a public school with all the horrors described above, or are they better?

Thanks,
Celeste


Colegio just means "school" it doesn't mean public or private. Can you find one to work for? We really can't tell you that. We don't know all the schools. Some private schools are good, some are bad. Some will get you a job and visa, some won't. You're not going to find out until you apply.

Since you were in Ecuador before, I HIGHLY suggest you start contacting all your friends and people that you know. They will probably be able to help you a lot.

And like just a mirage says, there are other ways to make money.
Teaching privates
Teaching online
exporting goods from Ecaudor to the US
starting your own business
Selling foreign goods to foreigners in Ecuador.

Have you applied for jobs?
Have you contacted your friends in Ecuador?
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2011 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CelesteCielos wrote:
First of all, my skin color is much lighter than the Afro-Ecuadorians on the coast. My mother is Italian, so my coloring is like a cup of coffee with cream. Wink I'm just that hot too! (kidding) Anyone who's curious to see a picture of me for the purposes of this topic can click on my profile and go to my blog website.~Celeste~


Saw ur pic, yup, hot like a latte Twisted Evil

On a more serious note, you should do fine. Just have realistic goals and if it goes better than that, all the better. Cool
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CelesteCielos



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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:

Saw ur pic, yup, hot like a latte Twisted Evil



haha, thanks, Prof. Gringo...

I'm flying to Ecuador in July to hit the streets. I have friends and contacts down there that hopefully can get me started. We've decided to look into getting a residency visa, but I'm not really sure where to start with THAT process and I don't think we'd qualify for a loan. Anyone recommend a good Ecuador-only forum where I can ask non-teaching related questions?
Thanks!
Celeste
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HLJHLJ



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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2011 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try ecuador_expats on yahoo groups http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ecuador_expats/
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