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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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You can live and work in Mexico, no prob whatsoever.
Check the Mex Forum for more info.
Best of luck! |
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adriahnfrank
Joined: 10 May 2011
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hi everyone,
thanks for all your advice ... it was a bit to digest.
btw i am 24, so i would be eligible for a working holiday visa to japan, but i didn't think it would be possible to get a job in japan without a degree. if i got a TEFL cert could i get a job in japan?
at this stage i'm not sure if i want a career in TEFL or not. i wanted to try it out first (for 3-12 months) and see what i thought of it. if i liked it, then i would consider spending more on qualifications, going back to uni and getting a degree, etc.
i didn't think it feasible to invest $2500 - $3000 AUD for a on-campus TEFL course in order to get a job paying 6000RMB ($870 AUD) per month... seems a bit ridiculous. furthermore, i would still be limited by not having a degree.
I was hoping this internship would be as worthwhile as an on-campus TEFL course considering it is more than the minimum 120 hours and 6 hours practical teaching. However, the general consensus seems to be that this internship wouldn't be worth very much?
just a side note. on the teflinternships website they do say:
"After your Internship
If you wish to stay in China, you will receive free placement assistance for a full-time job teaching English.
Many interns will have the option of being hired by the very school where they served their internship for a minimum of 6000+RMB per month and the school will either extend your visa or help you obtain a new visa."
so does that sound like empty promises? or working illegally? |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003
Posts: 9041
Location: home sweet home
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| If you get a Z visa, a working visa, then it's legal. An F visa is a business visa good for 6 months and an L visa is a tourist visa. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| adriahnfrank wrote: |
| btw i am 24, so i would be eligible for a working holiday visa to japan, but i didn't think it would be possible to get a job in japan without a degree. if i got a TEFL cert could i get a job in japan? |
You don't need a cert to get a job. If you have a working holiday visa (with or without a degree) you can get a job. What is so hard to "digest" about that? A simple glance at the WHV homepage would have told you. Did you look?
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/w_holiday/index.html
There are several ways, in fact, to get a job in Japan without a degree. This has been described numerous times. Here's a recap.
1. WHV (if you're eligible; not all nationalities are).
2. student visa
3. cultural activities visa
4. work visa (Yes! Even the work visa can be had without a degree, as long as you have enough related work experience, usually 3 years for teaching)
5. Dependent visa
6. Spouse visa
7. Intracompany transfer visa
http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/english/tetuduki/index.html
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/index.html |
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adriahnfrank
Joined: 10 May 2011
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glenski, i understand that i am eligible for a working holiday visa to japan. what i was wondering was: what are the chances of a school in japan hiring me to teach EFL considering i have no qualifications or experience?
i was under the impression that standards were quite high in japan? |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| adriahnfrank wrote: |
glenski, i understand that i am eligible for a working holiday visa to japan. what i was wondering was: what are the chances of a school in japan hiring me to teach EFL considering i have no qualifications or experience?
i was under the impression that standards were quite high in japan? |
I don't know where you got that impression. Most newcomers who are hired have zero experience teaching plus degrees unrelated to TEFL. The advantage of a WHV holder to an employer is the ability to start work tomorrow, and if the employer doesn't like sponsoring visas, that's good, too. Plus WHV holders can work PT or FT, so depending on what's available, they might fit in nicely.
There are places that will not take WHV holders, yes. However, a lot behind hiring newcomers stems from personality, a sense that the person will not suffer culture shock, and a chemistry with the staff/students. These are valid concerns and should be included in recruiting, but unfortunately these are often the primary things employers have considered, instead of any teaching experience, credentials, or education. Such is the market.
I'm sorry, but I don't like the question posed by many "What are my chances?" The answer is subjective/qualitative, plus it involves knowing a lot about the person that we don't usually know. Things that can be determined in text here (shape of your resume and cover letter, items contained therein, etc.), and things that can't (e.g., how well you interview or present a demo lesson, mannerisms and voice). It also depends on when and where you hope to work.
I got my first (EFL) teaching job in Japan around 40 with no EFL teaching experience or or cert in hand and with a degree unrelated to TEFL, just so you know. |
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greyskymornings
Joined: 17 May 2011
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Location: South Korea
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| Someone here suggested volunteer teaching as option; I think that would be a good way to at least get your toes wet a little bit. I didn't have any formal experience before I came to Korea, but the volunteer teaching that I did prior to coming here was really useful. |
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nickpellatt
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| adriahnfrank wrote: |
hi everyone,
thanks for all your advice ... it was a bit to digest.
btw i am 24, so i would be eligible for a working holiday visa to japan, but i didn't think it would be possible to get a job in japan without a degree. if i got a TEFL cert could i get a job in japan?
at this stage i'm not sure if i want a career in TEFL or not. i wanted to try it out first (for 3-12 months) and see what i thought of it. if i liked it, then i would consider spending more on qualifications, going back to uni and getting a degree, etc.
i didn't think it feasible to invest $2500 - $3000 AUD for a on-campus TEFL course in order to get a job paying 6000RMB ($870 AUD) per month... seems a bit ridiculous. furthermore, i would still be limited by not having a degree.
I was hoping this internship would be as worthwhile as an on-campus TEFL course considering it is more than the minimum 120 hours and 6 hours practical teaching. However, the general consensus seems to be that this internship wouldn't be worth very much?
just a side note. on the teflinternships website they do say:
"After your Internship
If you wish to stay in China, you will receive free placement assistance for a full-time job teaching English.
Many interns will have the option of being hired by the very school where they served their internship for a minimum of 6000+RMB per month and the school will either extend your visa or help you obtain a new visa."
so does that sound like empty promises? or working illegally? |
If you want to just try it out...it might not be a bad program to do, I think I suggested as much when I posted last week.
But, if you do like it....what then? You might end up having to get back to the drawing board and then invest in the genuine cert and start the degree, and the time and money spent on the program you linked will look like money wasted, especially when you consider lost earnings over the period of the internship too.
The schools promise might not be an empty one. There is a fair chance they can find you something, legal/illegal somewhere....but after that? Back to square one again maybe. Its difficult I know, but Im not so sure the short cuts are going to be the way ahead.
Getting the degree will never be a waste of time or money. Id at least investigate distance learning options. They are affordable for UK residents, not sure about other countries programs. There are other volunteer options at home too, consider local charities etc...thats the 'getting the feet wet' without any financial investment.
As I said before....the program you link as an adventure would probably be great! As a gateway to EFL its probably less than 50/50. In my limited experience, most people love the job....but many only do it for a short time, because they are limited by qualifications etc. There is no easy route in and the degree and cert are just the first steps....it doesnt end there either  |
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babyoilrig
Joined: 25 May 2011
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Hi,
Check out Cambodia. I taught there all last year with no experience or teaching qualifications. Don't get me wrong it is a serious challenge to teach without having had any training - i wouldn't necessarily recommend unless you are very confident 
But yeah, I was offered jobs in 6 different schools - just from giving out a few CVs. You can get a business visa when you enter the country and then renew it indefinitely - which allows you to work. The wages weren't really high - around $1,500 a month, but the cost of living there is so low, it very easy to save money. The place a stayed in the capital Phnom Penh only cost $2 a night.
Hope this helps xx |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003
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Location: home sweet home
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| babyoilrig wrote: |
Hi,
Check out Cambodia. I taught there all last year with no experience or teaching qualifications. Don't get me wrong it is a serious challenge to teach without having had any training - i wouldn't necessarily recommend unless you are very confident
But yeah, I was offered jobs in 6 different schools - just from giving out a few CVs. You can get a business visa when you enter the country and then renew it indefinitely - which allows you to work. The wages weren't really high - around $1,500 a month, but the cost of living there is so low, it very easy to save money. The place a stayed in the capital Phnom Penh only cost $2 a night.
Hope this helps xx |
Was housing included? I sent you a PM. |
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babyoilrig
Joined: 25 May 2011
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Hi, no the accommodation wasn't included, but it's very cheap and easy to find accommodation.
thanks xxx |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| adriahnfrank wrote: |
| btw i am 24, so i would be eligible for a working holiday visa to japan, but i didn't think it would be possible to get a job in japan without a degree. if i got a TEFL cert could i get a job in japan? |
The WHV lets you work, PT or FT. You don't need a degree.
Employers may put restrictions on their teachers to have degrees, though. Case by case. |
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Jbhughes
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| The place a stayed in the capital Phnom Penh only cost $2 a night. |
Seriously? Where? That's impressive to say the least.
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| The wages weren't really high - around $1,500 a month |
You managed to make that much without any experience or certification / qualifications? How was your pay structured? |
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