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mike w
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SkyBlue:
Again, it depends on the job. A highly qualified teacher, also doing some private work or English testing can quite easily turn over 25 - 30,000RMB a month.
Depends on the school / university / company. Some of the best paid positions are in genuine International schools and corporate training. corporate training can easily get you 18 - 20,000RMB a month. |
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Skyblue2
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| Cheers. That's good to hear. |
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Oriented
Joined: 27 Apr 2011
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Location: China
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:56 am Post subject: Hotels |
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Skyblue: In my experience/observation, schools and state organizations (which include most universities) do not usually provide any temporary accommodation. Unless they provide actual housing, in which case they'll probably meet you at the airport and take you directly to your housing.
Some places will book you into a budget hotel, such as the Hanting chain, and perhaps arrange a discount on the posted rate, but you'll pay for it (and all meals, laundry etc.) yourself. At least in my personal experience.
There are supposedly 5,000 hotels in Beijing -- many are little more than converted apartments, the staff speak no English and quality is very low. A lot cater to domestic travelers on tight budgets or employees of state organizations coming in from the provinces on very low per diems. The situation is probably the same in most other cities.
You could check out hostelworld, which as of today lists 66 hostels in the Beijing area. Beware, as some are remote (out by the Great Wall, still technically part of greater Beijing) and not suitable if youre' job-hunting or starting a new job. I have never stayed at any of these facilities, so I don't know anything about them. |
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Skyblue2
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| Cheers. I guess it really pays to have an employer who covers housing in Beijing, as it costs quite a lot. Without housing, a 15K job is really a 10K job at best. Is that about right? |
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MADAMELEACH
Joined: 27 Aug 2009
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Location: WELLINGTON
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:52 am Post subject: Punished for not accepting an apartment by the school? |
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'Happy everyday' posted a comment response saying -
''You can be punished for refusing to buy something in China. I've seen similar situations arise with contracts at schools. If you refuse their offer, even when it is a rip-off, the person can use their power to give you problems.''
I hope he doesn't mean about paying the rental as opposed to buying.
If this is true it is tantamount to bullying, Thuggish and This is scandalous!  |
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mat chen
Joined: 01 Nov 2009
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Location: xiangtan hunan
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Join the Mormon church and they will provide you with a Singapore or Taiwan lawyer. |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:11 pm Post subject: Re: Punished for not accepting an apartment by the school? |
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| MADAMELEACH wrote: |
'Happy everyday' posted a comment response saying -
''You can be punished for refusing to buy something in China. I've seen similar situations arise with contracts at schools. If you refuse their offer, even when it is a rip-off, the person can use their power to give you problems.''
I hope he doesn't mean about paying the rental as opposed to buying.
If this is true it is tantamount to bullying, Thuggish and This is scandalous! |
I think this was more of a reference to the ability of people here to use the law, which only the upper class have a semi-grasp of, to give you trouble. Nothing is different for me as a USAian. People can drag you on for years if they choose, especially if they know high ranking people, or you will give up and pay.
Violent conning does happen, but it happens very rarely. Despite their power there is a way to get them back, it is called the law (make sure you keep evidence of the abuse). They prey on the unknowing, native and non-native alike. It is completely unacceptable in this society. People, most people, would be upset to know. |
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Oriented
Joined: 27 Apr 2011
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Location: China
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| "I guess it really pays to have an employer who covers housing in Beijing, as it costs quite a lot. Without housing, a 15K job is really a 10K job at best. Is that about right?" |
There is no one "right" answer to this question.
Rents in BJ are all over the place. If you go out around the NE 5th Ring Road, you can live in one of those old Soviet style apartments: 4th floor walk-up, 20 sq m, the kitchen is a hot plate and a half-size fridge in the corner, the washing machine if there is one will be an ancient model in the corner of the bedroom/living room, the bathroom will freak you out and you'll be about a 20-minute bus ride to the nearest subway ... but you might pay less than RMB 2,000. If you speak some Chinese, are ready to 'rough' it a bit, probably under 40 etc. ... maybe it won't matter.
Go a few more miles closer to the airport and you'll be in Shunyi, where there are American-suburb style houses with 4, 5 or even 6 bedrooms, a garden, a garage, about 300 sq m and RMB 40-50,000.
An employer who puts you into an apartment, assuming it's not a school dorm, probably provides the "typical" apartment we've mentioned here: about 50 sq m, one bedroom, less than 10 years old, elevator, etc. You'd pay 3,000-4,000 to rent it yourself on open market.
These stats are just guidelines for a "typical" apartment often rented by new foreign arrivals, probably single people, who don't have housing provided or a big expat package from a foreign employer.
The rent of an employer-provided apartment is likely reflected in your salary. To what degree, nobody can say in every individual case.
The advantage of the apartment being provided is that you don't need to spend all the startup costs mentioned in this thread.
The choice largely depends on how much cash you have and how much you want to do yourself. That's something only you know. |
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Skyblue2
Joined: 04 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| Oriented wrote: |
An employer who puts you into an apartment, assuming it's not a school dorm, probably provides the "typical" apartment we've mentioned here: about 50 sq m, one bedroom, less than 10 years old, elevator, etc. You'd pay 3,000-4,000 to rent it yourself on open market.
These stats are just guidelines for a "typical" apartment often rented by new foreign arrivals, probably single people, who don't have housing provided or a big expat package from a foreign employer. |
Of course. Thanks for the input. |
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