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Tretyakovskii
Joined: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 462 Location: Cancun, Mexico
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 7:22 pm Post subject: Have I missed something? |
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There appear to be major changes to the immigration laws, taking effect soon, but I didn't see any discussion of it on this forum.
http://dof.gob.mx/nota_detalle.php?codigo=5190774&fecha=25/05/2011
The push to get people out of the temporary resident status and into permanent resident status after four years, which started last year, now seems to have been written in the law. There are many other procedural and substantive changes written into the new law, which will now have to be supplemented by rules written by each office of INM, such as establishment of a point system.
[Edited to delete what may have been an error picked up from an article I read about it.]
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BadBeagleBad

Joined: 23 Aug 2010 Posts: 1186 Location: 24.18105,-103.25185
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: Have I missed something? |
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[quote="Tretyakovskii"]There appear to be major changes to the immigration laws, taking effect soon, but I didn't see any discussion of it.
http://dof.gob.mx/nota_detalle.php?codigo=5190774&fecha=25/05/2011
Four year long temporary residence visas, and inmigrado status based on "points", are some of the apparent changes. There are others, but these are the ones that jumped out at me.[/quote
I skimmed though it - did you actually read it all - and didn�t see either of those things. How far down were they? That is a lot of stuff to read. |
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Dragonlady

Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 720 Location: Chillinfernow, Canada
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 3:09 am Post subject: |
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Isla Guapa
Joined: 19 Apr 2010 Posts: 1520 Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 3:42 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for posting that link, dragonlady. I've heard a bit about the new laws but haven't had the energy to read the entire document all the way through. This explains the most important details in Spanish and English, making the changes easy to understand, m�s o menos. |
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Tretyakovskii
Joined: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 462 Location: Cancun, Mexico
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Long as the law is, much of it has to do with the legal requirements for the drafting of laws in Mexico: don't get discouraged with the skimming process, Isla, and I think you'll hit paydirt.
The yucaland article, while useful as an introduction, can lead to some misimpressions (I could be wrong about even that!), and there is probably no good substitute for looking over the law itself. Reading the article made me think the temp resident permit was to be issued for four years, but looking again at the law I'm not so sure that's the case, as in the section cited by the article it reads,
"Autoriza al extranjero para permanecer en el pa�s por un tiempo no mayor a cuatro a�os...," which may just mean that you are forced into permanent residency after four renewals, as is the current practice in many INM offices.
Maybe there is other language in the new law that makes clear which is meant, but I haven't gotten that far in reading it, either!
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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"Autoriza al extranjero para permanecer en el pa�s por un tiempo no mayor a cuatro a�os...," which may just mean that you are forced into permanent residency after four years, as is the current practice in many INM offices. |
This seems to be a change from previous policy. As I understood it and have seen in practice, at least in DF, it was technically 5 years before you could move to an FM2 (though there were ways to get an FM2 earlier or immediately) but no cap on how many FM3 renewals you could seek. Was there a cap at other offices around the country? |
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Tretyakovskii
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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[In the D.F. there was]...no cap on how many FM3 renewals you could seek. Was there a cap at other offices around the country? |
Here it was four renewals, max, but they only started that as of May, last year, and it wasn't enforced uniformly. |
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Dragonlady

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MotherF
Joined: 07 Jun 2010 Posts: 1450 Location: 17�48'N 97�46'W
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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I'm in the middle of renewing my FM3 at the moment and no one said anything about not being able to--I'm an odd ball, this is my 3rd renewal of my 3rd FM3. Like DL said, after the max renewals on the first one--I applied for a "nueva estancia" which was a whole new FM3, then when that one expired, I did it again. Why? mostly ablivience. I'm just not ready to commit to Mexico.
If I'm pushed to become immigrado, I would just persue naturalization instead. |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:35 am Post subject: |
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Why is everyone so attached to their FM3? Surely it is better to push along your immigration status to more or less wash your hands of the whole charade. I've done my last refrenda of my FM2 and am looking forward to applying for inmigrado status. Money doesn't come in to it, and the travel restrictions are hardly... well, restrictive. |
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Isla Guapa
Joined: 19 Apr 2010 Posts: 1520 Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Phil_K wrote: |
Why is everyone so attached to their FM3? Surely it is better to push along your immigration status to more or less wash your hands of the whole charade. I've done my last refrenda of my FM2 and am looking forward to applying for inmigrado status. Money doesn't come in to it, and the travel restrictions are hardly... well, restrictive. |
Not me! I'm looking forward to the day I can apply for inmigrado and then inmigrante status (or is it the other way around?) or whatever the new system will call them. But since I'm not married to a Mexican, as several regular posters are, it will take me a long time to get there. |
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MotherF
Joined: 07 Jun 2010 Posts: 1450 Location: 17�48'N 97�46'W
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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We've been over this before.
When I came to the end of my first FM3, I had just finished 5 years at my job, and at my job our 7th year is a sabbatical. In the traditional sense of the word--a year to rest and renew yourself. No professional obligation, but full pay! I was considering various options on how to spend that year and a couple of those options invovled spending the entire year outside of Mexico. So it didn't make sense to go FM2. Then at the end of my second second FM3 money was VERY tight right around the time for my renewal, and I was by then eligible to apply for naturalization, if I so desired. So those two things made an FM2 unattractive.
I am seriously considering naturalization. I have been for some time. I like to take my time with big decisions. I am also somewhat ambivilent about the whole thing. |
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Tretyakovskii
Joined: 14 Aug 2009 Posts: 462 Location: Cancun, Mexico
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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I speak from experience - Chiapas to Veracruz over a period of 7 consecutive years. |
It seems to have been that way here, too, D.L., until May, last year, when they stopped renewing FM3s more than four times, and told people they must go to FM2 at that point. The trend of pushing people towards FM2s seems now to have been strengthened with this new law.
My wife doesn't want to have an FM2 and has already said she would respond by allowing her FM3 to lapse; then, re-enter the country and apply for a new FM3.
As for reading the law, I think it's always a good idea to be as well informed as possible. I've had excellent results at INM as a result of reading this forum, and reading the law. It was reading the old law that informed me I could apply for an FM2, and inmigrado status earlier than the norm as the law was applied here, if I could show I was contributing to the development of the country, for example. I don't think I'd have known that just from reading this forum. |
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