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Being paid in arrears - how normal is this?
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Sour Grape



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:55 am    Post subject: Being paid in arrears - how normal is this? Reply with quote

I've had four jobs in Japan. The present job and the two before it have not paid on arrears. So January salary was paid on the 21st or 25th of January, depending on the job.

However, my first job - in eikaiwa - did pay late. January salary was paid on the 11th of February, or a couple of days later if that day was on a weekend.

How normal is this? And is it just in the English teaching industry? I haven't discussed it with too many Japanese acquaintances, but none of them seem to be paid in the middle of the following month. Why do eikaiwas do it? Surely their staff, many of whom will have just arrived, will be more likely to run out of money in their first month and live paycheck to paycheck. Is it to keep tighter control of their employeers?

Interested in the thoughts of other posters.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being paid near the end of a month is pretty standard for most businesses in Japan. One can always tell when payday is (if you've ever forgotten) just by looking at the size of the crowds in restaurants or electronics shops on the following weekend.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:15 am    Post subject: Re: Being paid in arrears - how normal is this? Reply with quote

Sour Grape wrote:

Why do eikaiwas do it? Surely their staff, many of whom will have just arrived, will be more likely to run out of money in their first month and live paycheck to paycheck. Is it to keep tighter control of their employeers?


If by 'tighter control of their [employees]' you mean they won't pay temp employees renown for taking off with no notice before they have actually done the work, then yeah, I guess so. Living paycheque to paycheque? That's basically the employee's problem. If you know you aren't going to get paid until six weeks after starting, then you should probably have at least one and a half paycheques worth of savings sitting there in the bank the day you begin (as in AFTER your initial start-up fees like getting a cellphone, paying to move into your apartment etc). If you are living paycheque to paycheque after that, then you should figure out how to live on a budget. If you want to be able to move up from eikaiwa, then you will likely need to be able to save enough money to do some qualification upgrading (TESOL certificate, masters course etc).
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is absolutely standard in just about every industry in Japan to pay in arrears, and the 11th of the month would be much earlier than most people get paid. All the jobs I've had here, from eikaiwa to proofreading, translating, doing promotions and teaching yoga have been paid in arrears- usually on the 20th or 25th although one company did pay on the 10th.

My Japanese husband has worked at 3 different companies since I have known him- first NTT, then the Tokyo headquarters of two foreign IT companies- all have paid on the 25th of the following month.

Why do eikaiwas do it? I agree with Glenski- how many people do you think would do a runner the day after payday if they were paid for work they hadn't yet done?
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Sour Grape



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apsara wrote:
It is absolutely standard in just about every industry in Japan to pay in arrears, and the 11th of the month would be much earlier than most people get paid. All the jobs I've had here, from eikaiwa to proofreading, translating, doing promotions and teaching yoga have been paid in arrears- usually on the 20th or 25th although one company did pay on the 10th.


Are you sure about that? None of the people I have asked get their January salary on the 11th of February, which is what I meant by "paid in arrears". Yet you say this is much earlier than most people get paid.

Apart from eikaiwa, the latest I have ever been paid was 25th of the same month. For example, January salary was paid on 25th January. By "in arrears" I meant getting your salary for a month half way into the next month.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sour Grape wrote:
Apsara wrote:
It is absolutely standard in just about every industry in Japan to pay in arrears, and the 11th of the month would be much earlier than most people get paid. All the jobs I've had here, from eikaiwa to proofreading, translating, doing promotions and teaching yoga have been paid in arrears- usually on the 20th or 25th although one company did pay on the 10th.


Are you sure about that? None of the people I have asked get their January salary on the 11th of February, which is what I meant by "paid in arrears". Yet you say this is much earlier than most people get paid.

Apart from eikaiwa, the latest I have ever been paid was 25th of the same month. For example, January salary was paid on 25th January. By "in arrears" I meant getting your salary for a month half way into the next month.


Yes, I am sure about that. I have always been paid on the 10th, 20th or 25th of the next month for the previous month's work, and so has my husband. I have never in Japan been paid for work in the same month as I've done it.
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Sour Grape



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough - it seems it is more common than I thought.

As I said, three of the four places at which I have worked paid before the end of the month, and none of the Japanese partners I have had have had to wait until the next month either.
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OneJoelFifty



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, 25th of the month after for me. I'm employed by a dispatch company.

Two of the eikawas I work for part-time pay me at the start of the next month, but it's cash in hand.
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Inflames



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every place I've worked has paid in arrears for Japanese and foreign staff (if there is any difference - at Nova there was).

The people I know have all gotten paid in arrears as well.
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Tzigane



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get paid on the 20th of every month, for example, I get paid June 20 for the month of May...makes it that much more inconvenient if I want to just up and leave!
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Sour Grape



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Far more normal than I thought then. Looks like I have lucky in finding mostly jobs that paid just before the end of that month, and not half way into the next one.
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