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Shaman

Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Posts: 446 Location: Hammertown
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 2:12 am Post subject: Strange Expressions |
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I used the expression "right as rain" recently, and immediately paused for thought. Outside of those living in a drought-ravaged locale, who else would use this expression and actually mean it?
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 3:21 am Post subject: |
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The expression is used in a Cure song. (Why Can't I be You?)
Other than that, I don't think I've ever heard it used.
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rj

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 159
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 9:13 am Post subject: |
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I hear it used all the time, especially from older generations (in the US). I use it sometimes, but not with a literal meaning. I can recall my grandmother using it all the time when I was a kid. |
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latefordinner
Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Posts: 973
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 9:44 am Post subject: |
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rj:
>I hear it used all the time, especially from older generations
Am I that old? I grew up with "right as rain", as well as "make hay while the sun shines" and... Maybe I am. |
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Teacher Lindsay
Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 393 Location: Luxian, Sichuan
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:36 am Post subject: |
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How about gob-smacked? A British teacher in his late 30s whom I worked with in Thailand said that often.
Recently, here in China, a Canadian woman in her 60s told me that she was looking for new digs. I think the last time I had that was when my father was still alive.
Americans - I guess
British - I think
Australians - I reckon
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Capergirl

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 1232 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:51 am Post subject: |
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I have certainly heard that expression before but cannot recall if I've ever used it. Some expressions we use in English don't make a lot of sense, to be sure. Yesterday, I found myself trying to explain the phrase "the world is your oyster".
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zaneth
Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 545 Location: Between Russia and Germany
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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The American South uses "I reckon" too. Some people think of it as a "Southernism." |
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Gowump
Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 70 Location: Poland
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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How about "it's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick"? From the Ottawa Valley. |
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Stephen Jones
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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"right as rain" is exceptionally common. It forms part of a large number of alliterative phrases: "daft as a duck" is another one. As it is an English phrase it can hardly be said to have originated in desert lands.
"gob-smacked" is estuary English. lager-lout cuture. The guy in his thirties would be the oldest to use it naturally. With anybody older, that phrase, like "double-whammy" would be an affectation from somebody trying to pass himself off as younger and lower class. This happened quite a lot under Thatcher - Chris Patten got mocked for using the phrase in the 1992 election.
"digs" refers to a rented room in somebody else's house - the somebody else being called a landlady, whilst the person you rent an entire living unit off is called the landlord. "Student digs" is common now. |
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khmerhit
Joined: 31 May 2003 Posts: 1874 Location: Reverse Culture Shock Unit
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Stephen,
Rather than Estuarial English (EE), I believe "gob-smacked" is a scouserism from Liverpool and that it goes way back. There was an exchange of letters about it in the TLS about fifteen years ago.
Chris Patten--great man. I wish we had politicians like him in my country. Why did people turn on him for using a proletarian expression? Everyone knows the Thatcherites were jumped up petty booojois shopkeepers. Was it so hypocritical of him to use an expression that was no doubt used in his own family at some point? I mean, he was a working class kid made good if I remember right. London Irish, went to a top Grammar School, Oxford, Conservative Party, Cabinet, the last Governor of Hong Kong ("Les jeux sont fait, Guv, les jeux sont faits!") the EU Commissioner--Bob's your uncle and right as rain. His grandparents would have been gobsmacked.
Acutally, come to think of it, it is a very COMMON-sounding word. It smacks of something unsavoury. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 4:29 pm Post subject: Yuk |
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"gob" is vulgar for "mouth"
"gobsmacked" is of recent vintage and IS vulgar.
Just what I would expect from Liverpool. Yuk ! |
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Teacher Lindsay
Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 393 Location: Luxian, Sichuan
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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"gobsmacked" is of recent vintage and IS vulgar. |
The fellow in question, and I think he was 38 or 39, was a former used car salesman from (somewhere in) London.
He never used the term in a vulgar sense; it was clear from context that he meant surprised.
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Teacher in Rome
Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Posts: 1286
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Just what I would expect from Liverpool. Yuk ! |
Why?? I thought you'd be the sort of person to fancy Edwina Currie, who's from there, unless I'm mistaken.
Even if I am mistaken about where she's from, what are the odds on every Brit on this board over 30 laughing at the thought of you and ol' vampire Edwina. Ever see her on Spitting Image?
OK, I'll bite. Why don't you like Liverpool? Surely you don't prefer Wolverhampton. |
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Lanza-Armonia

Joined: 04 Jan 2004 Posts: 525 Location: London, UK. Soon to be in Hamburg, Germany
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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I start okky dooky. I think it sounds cute and it's a 1000 times better that the formidable "OK"
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Bethan

Joined: 10 Apr 2004 Posts: 23 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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[/quote]Just what I would expect from Liverpool. Yuk !
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Why is it that so many people have such a bad impression of Liverpool?? |
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