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shmooj

Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 1758 Location: Seoul, ROK
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:14 am Post subject: |
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We have teacher's chairs on wheels which means that, especially with kids classes when I am usually fairly knackered, I can just zip around the room and monitor things.
Again, if they are on the carpet, sitting in a chair seems more natural than standing over them.
With adults I find I'm often using the chair to signal a transition between activities i.e. a change of pace, focus on me while we wrap up what we've done and get instruction to move on. |
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Capergirl

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 1232 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Geez, and I thought this was a thread about peeing... |
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one! You just never know with this forum.
To answer the question, it depends on the situation, as many others have stated. My conversation class, for example, is a sit-down affair. The only time I will stand in that class is to clarify something on the board for the students. In most of my classes, I alternate sitting and standing depending on the need. I don't tend to do either for extended periods of time (excepting the conversation class, of course). Most of my classes are small groups of 3-8 students, so I have no trouble seeing them whether I am seated or standing. Sometimes, I will employ the 'tactic' of moving about the front of the room a bit in order to get their attention. This seems to work well. For reading exercises, I almost always remain in my chair.
I should also note that my classes are 1.5, 2, 2.5, and 3 hours in duration. That's a long time to sit or stand.  |
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zaneth
Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 545 Location: Between Russia and Germany
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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I was really surprised when the trainer on the Celta suggested I try sitting down. I thought it wasn't allowed or something.
Sometimes it really helps me be more serious, quiet. |
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struelle
Joined: 16 May 2003 Posts: 2372 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Do you sit or stand? |
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I stand almost all the time, but occasionally I join in a role-play or group discussion and take a seat. At the end of a 7-hour teaching day, I like to do more discussions so I can enjoy this
Strangely enough, when I did my CELTA course in Bangkok, the protocol there was to sit in the teacher's chair in front of the students during feedback and even for presenting some new language.
This felt very odd after being using to always standing before, and my tutor mentioned in my comments that I could sit down more.
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Wow! Sitting while teaching? What a concept. The only time I will sit down is if I am observing and evaluating students when they go to the front of the class to do an oral exercise. But, boy-oh-boy, if I tried to sit when I am teaching a lesson, giving a test (they would cheat if I didn't monitor them), in class workbook time (they wouldn't do it) . . . . . . or pretty much any activity, these kids would find that as an opportune time to start chatting each other up (and NOT in English!).
No, I tend to stand pretty much throughout all my lessons. I find if I see a student reading a comic book or playing with his translator or writing a note to pass, I can just wander by and stand next to his desk while talking to the students and he pretty much curbs his non-English-learning activities. I do walk around the class a lot (but not "flit" around the class - - I'm much to old and fat to be flitting these days) and I don't even have my own chair or stool in my classroom. |
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JosephP
Joined: 13 May 2003 Posts: 445
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Sit in class? Rarely. I think, react, and generally do a better job whilst literally keeping on my toes. If I sit down I lose focus and this rubs off on my students. I do occasionally squat down next to students -- towering over someone can be off-putting I imagine.
Sit, no way. I don't get paid to sit. I'm too fidgety for that anyway. I do admit to sometimes leaning against the whiteboard. Anyone have a tip on how to get the whiteboard gunk out of clothing? |
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Lanza-Armonia

Joined: 04 Jan 2004 Posts: 525 Location: London, UK. Soon to be in Hamburg, Germany
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Sit sit SIT!!!
When the hell do you have time to sit with 20-30 screaming kids!
LA? |
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Ben Round de Bloc
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1946
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 10:19 am Post subject: |
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When the hell do you have time to sit with 20-30 screaming kids!
LA |
I don't teach kids. I don't have students who scream. I don't have up to 30 students at a time (25 max.) Not now. During my teaching career I've had some classes that were louder than others and some classes with 40+ students, but I can't say that I've ever had students who scream a lot. I spend about half my time sitting in class and half my time on my feet. I teach university level now, but even when I taught kids (public middle school USA,) I still came pretty close to the 50/50 ratio for sitting/standing. I've never taught students younger than middle school. I imagine elementary is a different ball game regarding the sitting/standing routine.
For me, it depends on the particular activity. My classes are either an hour and a half or 2 hours and 15 minutes long, depending on which days of the week they meet. That makes for several different kinds of activities during one class period, some more condusive to sitting and some more condusive to being on my feet. I don't think I could take being on my feet all the time or sitting all the time, especially on those days when I have 3 of the long classes on the same day.
By the way, hats off to anyone who teaches little kids! Pre-school and elementary level teachers deserve a special place in heaven, in my opinion. I don't know how you do it. |
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Teacher Lindsay
Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 393 Location: Luxian, Sichuan
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 10:44 am Post subject: |
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My first TESOL position was at a language school in Bangkok and they fined teachers seen to be sitting while conducting a class (Hey Steve, have you heard of British-American?).
Here in China each of my classes has 80 students. I really need to project my voice so that I can be heard by students sitting at the back of the classroom. If I sat, I wouldn't be able to be heard right down the back.
Conversely, I require each of my students to stand when (individually) answering a question because I can't otherwise hear them.
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struelle
Joined: 16 May 2003 Posts: 2372 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| My first TESOL position was at a language school in Bangkok and they fined teachers seen to be sitting while conducting a class (Hey Steve, have you heard of British-American?). |
Doesn't ring a bell, was it a chain school by any chance? I did my training at ECC which was a chain. Apparently it's their corporate culture to have teachers sit (the CELTA may have overlapped). I observed one regular class where the teacher never left his chair, except to write on the board!
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| Conversely, I require each of my students to stand when (individually) answering a question because I can't otherwise hear them. |
I do the same, although the students are already used to that from their other classes.
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shmooj

Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 1758 Location: Seoul, ROK
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| If I sat, I wouldn't be able to be heard right down the back. |
While what you say sounds perfectly logical, I've taught enough to know that what seems obvious can actually work against you. Reverse psychology usually works a treat. If I want everyone looking at me, I don't stick my head up prominently, I get down low. If I want everyone to listen to my voice, I don't talk loudly, but in a calm measured tone. If I have someone who has tuned out or is involved with their mobile or mucking around, I don't shout to get their attention, I shut up and stare at them. Eventually they look up and see every pair of eyes is fixed on them.
I find that if I make it easy for students, particularly kids, to both hear and see me, they won't make the effort to concentrate. Once this happens, my stress levels go through the roof and the class goes out the window. So, Teacher Lindsay, I personally don't use the technique you mention too much because it is often self defeating - at least in the Asian classrooms I have taught in.
Mind you, if you are a boring teacher no one would notice no matter whether you exploded in front of them or if you died quietly in the corner.  |
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Teacher Lindsay
Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 393 Location: Luxian, Sichuan
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 9:55 am Post subject: |
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shmooj
Have you ever taught a class of 80 students?
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Clancy
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 162
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Try 150 in a conversation class. Now that is a difficult thing to do. Yet, many Chinese English teachers are required to do just that.
I had 220 in my Middle School classes. No joke. It can be done. I learned how from my Chinese co-teacher. |
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shmooj

Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 1758 Location: Seoul, ROK
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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shmooj
Have you ever taught a class of 80 students?
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Have you ever noticed adverbs before?
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Teacher Lindsay
Joined: 31 Mar 2004 Posts: 393 Location: Luxian, Sichuan
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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shmooj
Have you ever taught a class of 80 students? |
shmooj wrote:-
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| Have you ever noticed adverbs before? |
So, to keep shmooj happy and to avoid giving him a further excuse for side-stepping the question, I now write:-
shmooj
Have you taught a class of 80 students?
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