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scot47

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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:17 am Post subject: |
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When we disentangle ourselves from the Imperial Union, the sky might fall on our heads. Another agrument against it is that Mrs Mountatten-Windsor does not like the idea.
NATO might not let us be members.
Thousands of other phoney arguments will be put up and the "Dirty Tricks" Department in Whitehaqll will be working overtime for the next five years.
I do not care
Alba go bragh.
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Kipling

Joined: 13 Mar 2009 Posts: 371 Location: ...Ah Mrs K peel me a grape!!!....and have one yourself!!!!
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:21 pm Post subject: You say either I say either............ |
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or maybe it should be
Alba gu br�th
Quite so Mr Brave Heart, quite so
Mr K
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Soupman
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
When we disentangle ourselves from the Imperial Union, the sky might fall on our heads. Another agrument against it is that Mrs Mountatten-Windsor does not like the idea.
NATO might not let us be members. |
I doubt there will be (m)any negatives, but for the sake of discussion I am curious to know the positives of Scottish independence for its population. |
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scot47

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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:31 am Post subject: |
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"Freedom is a noble thing
Freedom maketh man to have liking." |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:42 am Post subject: |
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Beware the Royal Navy forming a statelet around their strategic ports in Scotland though... Partition never seems to be as good a solution as London always says it will be. India/Pakistan; the Irelands; Palestine, etc.... perhaps all leading to Northern Scotland....? |
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Soupman
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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I feel I�m working in an office someplace with a colleague who has so much to offer but keeps it all in. Still waters run deep. Shame about all the mosquitoes.
If someone could please be so kind as to complete this sentence:
The benefits for Scottish independence are ____. |
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Ignatius Reilly
Joined: 30 Jun 2011 Posts: 29 Location: East of Suez
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:25 pm Post subject: The benefits of Scottish independence are... |
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...very few.
For Scotland that is. The north of England, which has observed the massive subsidies paid to Scotland for decades under the Barnet formula, would probably be delighted to see her cut herself adrift.
As for the 'Imperial yoke' and all that, this really is the Kilmarnock Polytechnic School of History talking, isn't it? Scotland volunteered into the Union in 1707 shortly after her own attempt at imperial adventure went belly up in Panama in the late 17th century. In short, she was an economic and cultural backwater with a massively successful neighbour to her south. Under the new United Kingdom she flourished to such an extent that Edinburgh became the home of the Scottish Enlightenment and Glasgow the second city of the Empire. The Scottish contribution to Empire was disproportionately high in terms of its doctors, engineers, farmers and military. The Scottish contribution to the world was by anyone's standards impressive. Under the modern UK it remains so. It seems a shame that this is now denigrated in favour of an interpretation of history which suggests that Scotland was a miserable English colony and her people were acting under some form of English duress and held under some kind of Anglo-Saxon domination. It's not an argument I would have liked to pursue with the Scottish armed forces of the last three hundred years. In truth, Scotland massively benefited from Union and still does.
Under SNP plans for independence Queen Elizabeth II would retain her throne in Scotland and be recrowned Queen Elizabeth I of Scotland. |
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scot47

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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Benefits of the Union ? Our young men can go and die in Afghanistan to prop up the imperial delusions of London and their masters in Washington !
London can use the revenues from North Sea Oil to prop up their bankrupt City of London ! |
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Ignatius Reilly
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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I don't believe there are English pressgangs operating in Scottish cities coercing intoxicated young men into accepting the King's shilling after buying them a few drinks. Nor does the UK have a policy of conscription. Young Scottish men and women going into the forces do so voluntarily and with the knowledge, one assumes, that this may entail active service wherever they are commanded to serve. If they have a problem with this tried and tested idea they are free not to join up.
Does the idea of an independent Scotland living almost exclusively from the revenues from 'black gold' emanate from a swift nostalgia for a country in which a great part of your life was spent? Surely not?  |
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scot47

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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Should I confess my sins to some Jesuit named Ignatius ?
Of my 64 years a mere 17 were spent in Saudi Arabia. |
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Ignatius Reilly
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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It may have been a 'mere 17 years' but I am sure it seemed longer. |
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Ignatius Reilly
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:21 pm Post subject: Jesuitical precision |
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If one can assume, as many eminent scholars have, that one year in the part of the world in which you spent a 'mere 17 years' is the same ratio as dog/human years i.e. 1-7 then I put it to you that you spent 119 years there. A great part indeed!! |
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posh
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Ignatius Reilly wrote: |
It may have been a 'mere 17 years' but I am sure it seemed longer. |
Hehe  |
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Soupman
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Care to google "Scotland oilfields economic viability", and the year 2020 pops up more than a few times.
So with little oil left and younger citizens still free to volunteer for armed services for whatever reason, could somebody please be so kind as to complete this sentence:
The benefits for Scottish independence are ____. |
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scot47

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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Our country will not be administered by a bunch of Old Etonians. Enough said. |
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