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chinesearmy
Joined: 08 Apr 2010
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Location: canada
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america once thought that canada should be part of america
they tried taking it by force and then the canadians went to america and burned the white house down. |
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Lobster
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That's the most twisted account of the Revolutionary War I've ever read! King George would have been proud! Really, Canada wan't even a country at the time. Try British North America, or as it was later called, the Hudson's Bay Company. 
Seriously, give discussions on the 3 Ts, politics, sex and religion a pass.
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petebeatstreet
Joined: 05 Apr 2011
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Location: Where it's at, cat!
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| Seriously, give discussions on the 3 Ts, politics, sex and religion a pass. |
Here, or in class?
In class I never talk about it. But here, a forum for adults, I will talk my heart out about Taiwan etc. Why shouldn't I? Should I be muzzled? |
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Lobster
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In the classroom. Nobody's going to get riled up here. You should only be muzzled if you bite.
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Zero
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america once thought that canada should be part of america
they tried taking it by force and then the canadians went to america and burned the white house down. |
Isn't Canada part of the United States even today? I thought it was a territory, like Guam. Are they still planning to apply for statehood? |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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That's the most twisted account of the Revolutionary War I've ever read! King George would have been proud! Really, Canada wan't even a country at the time. Try British North America, or as it was later called, the Hudson's Bay Company.
Seriously, give discussions on the 3 Ts, politics, sex and religion a pass.
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1. Wasn't the Revolutionary War. It was the war of 1812.
2. The troops were from Canada. Lower Canada, to be precise.
3. Canada did exist then, but it was Upper and Lower Canada. And it was loyal to the crown.
4. You really don't want to incite Canadians on this board to make fun of America, do you? Especially if they are from Vancouver ...  |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| chinesearmy wrote: |
america once thought that canada should be part of america
they tried taking it by force and then the canadians went to america and burned the white house down. |
Isn't Canada part of the United States even today? I thought it was a territory, like Guam. Are they still planning to apply for statehood? |
You're confused with Wisconsin, son. |
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Lobster
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| Wasn't the Revolutionary War. It was the war of 1812. |
Oh yea, that war! Bloody US expansionists!
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| Canada did exist then, but it was Upper and Lower Canada. And it was loyal to the crown. |
Also in BNA were Nova Scotia, PEI, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Cape Breton. All British colonies. Never mess with a Newfie; they'll jig ya like a squid!
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No way! They'll riot and trash their own city out of spite!
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louis.p
Joined: 07 Oct 2007
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Location: Tainan, Taiwan
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The source you provided obviously has problems (although I would like it to be accurate, as it places my alma mater in the top 10 globally.) This one is much better: http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp and is in rough agreement with most other rankings.
--http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2010-2011/top-200.html
--http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2010
But anyways, you do know National Taiwan University (NTU) manipulates the system;
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| The institute, however, named NTU as of one of several universities that have resorted to �bad practices� in a bid to get better rankings.NTU and several other universities �are hosting large numbers of academic papers authored by scientists that do not belong to those institutions. This is not only unfair, but it clearly violates the copyright of the papers involved. We urge these universities to take action to decrease the number of suspicious files,� Webometrics said on its Web site. |
(http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/local/taipei/2009/12/26/238068/NTU-accuses.htm)
If my time at NTU is reflective of its quality at all, then it should be ranked around 1000. |
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RiverMystic
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unification is inevitable
its just a matter of how and what terms.
taiwan economy depends on china
if someone thinks taiwan is a functioning democracy you obviously never seen the fights in parliament.
it'll kinda suck for taiwan when unification comes and then tonnes of people from the boonies are invading taiwan, just like how they are flooding shenzhen shanghai and beijing |
In fact I predict the reverse will happen, which is consistent with he cyclical nature of Chinese history. China disintegrates every few hundred years. China is simply too big to administer from central Beijing. In fact it was never administered in its current form, with more than 1/3 of the country effectively under military rule (Tibet and Xinjiang). Already there are 130 000 major cases of civil unrest each year, and the number is rising. Trying to add a very unwilling Taiwanese population to the empire will just about be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
And if you think that the Taiwanese will simply sell themselves for cash, you don't understand history at all. Do you think even New Zealand would become part of Australia if it improved their economy? Canada part of the US? Do you know that China's economy picked up under the Japanese and the British? What did the Chinese do with all the British infrastructure when the British were kicked out. They destroyed it! They ripped up the railways, pulled down buildings and cemented others over.
Besides, I go to Taiwan a lot, and I know the reality. I took part in a conference there about the future of Taiwan at a leading uni, and various scenarios for Taiwan's future were mapped out. There were various categories. One set of possible futures was entitled "nightmare futures". Guess where unification with China was categorised.
The whole unification things is blatant brainwashing by Beijing. Nobody gave a toss about Taiwan before Chiang Kai Shek went there. Even Mao was an advocate of Taiwanese independence when the Japanese controlled it and before CKS took it - whereupon it magically transformed into "an inalienable part of China since ancient times", and "the jewel in the Chinese crown. What a load of BS!
Anyway, since when did colonisation by a feudal oligarch grant a contemporary communist government (or nany government) right to re-colonise that place in the modern age? I thought the Communists came to power to reject feudal oligarchs! Now they are saying they own Taiwan because of possession by prior feudal oligarchy. They seem a bit confused. Maybe Italy should reclaim Europe and Britain. Most nations have moved away from the colonial mindset. China is one of the few nations resisting.
But you cannot reason with mass hypnosis, so don't even try. |
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Zero
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I did further reading, and as I understand it, at one point the deal was nearly done for this. But it fell through when the U.S. decided the heating bill would be too high, and the Canadians were not willing to make the needed concession of closing all hockey rinks. Another sticking point was Quebec, which U.S. representatives weren't sure they wanted, as they found it to be kind of weird. |
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xjgirl
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| word, rivermystic, word! |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Canada part of the US? |
I did further reading, and as I understand it, at one point the deal was nearly done for this. But it fell through when the U.S. decided the heating bill would be too high, and the Canadians were not willing to make the needed concession of closing all hockey rinks. Another sticking point was Quebec, which U.S. representatives weren't sure they wanted, as they found it to be kind of weird. |
It's just as well. We would need to send some experts from some of our Kindergartens down to Florida to show them how to count ballots.
Besides, we don't have the needed amount of metal detectors for our schools. |
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wangdaning
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To go further in RM's reasoning, the Chinese that are in Taiwan, the one's who fled there and colonized it with the Guo Min Dang, should fight unification on the grounds that they have no right to be there in the first place. Why does their colonization of an independent nation mean it should unify with their own motherland? They simply need to pack their bags and return to their hometowns.
You say China is one of the few nations refusing to give up the colonial mindset. I would say it isn't a characteristic of the PRC, but of many Chinese people. You often here Chinese from Taiwan saying their family is from the mainland (not long distant relatives, more like their grandparents). They don't belong in Taiwan, which is a colonial state. To the actual Taiwanese is there much difference between the Communist running it or the Nationalists running it? I am sure if they must be controlled they would prefer the one that was more beneficial to them.
Historical analogies are great, it is like if when the South lost the Civil War in the States they all fled and took over Cuba. Then, they fought unifying with the US because they didn't want to be a colony.
So, what is Taiwan? An island controlled by Chinese whose families lost a war over the mainland. |
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RiverMystic
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So, what is Taiwan? An island controlled by Chinese whose families lost a war over the mainland. |
Whatever we may think, one thing is for sure: the Taiwanese will never willingly "unite" with the PRC under the CPC. It's either invasion or some form of unification after China liberalises. Of course once the PRC liberalises all this nationaistic hoopla and "unification" propaganda will cease, so by then it won't matter. |
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