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El Chupacabra
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
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Location: Kwangchow
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| Warning Bells wrote: |
| Some people need to get with the modern times, El Chupacabra. It sounds like you are reading books from two decades ago. |
As I'm not citing books but personal experience from within the past 4 years, I fail to see whence this assumption of my choice of literature comes. Or how my literary tastes are relevant to the fallacies you keep strewing in your path.
"Aggressive" has two positive senses of
- "making an all-out effort to win or succeed; competitive"
- "vigorously energetic, especially in the use of initiative and forcefulness"
By focusing exclusively on a third sense of "aggressive", which is "characterized by or tending toward unprovoked offensives, attacks, invasions, or the like; militantly forward or menacing", your argument requires assumptions that are simply unreasonable. For example, you suggest that to pester an employer will not help one succeed, which no one is refuting. But pestering does not presuppose aggression in the context of a job search. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003
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Location: home sweet home
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Warning Bells wrote: |
I post my CV on the typical TEFL websites. I'm not sure if I can list them here. This website should improve in that regard as I don't feel like posting on here every week to keep it up at the top. I don't need to go through that 'aggressive' measure just to get a job offer. The other sites are working just fine. A lot of good employers don't advertise their openings. They prefer to search through the data bases of those sites and not waste the time of their assistants or HR department.
Some people need to get with the modern times, El Chupacabra. It sounds like you are reading books from two decades ago. |
I think you got lucky then. I also have good quals and experience and posting my CV only results in entry level jobs from China. Which makes sense hnestly.
If I were an employer (and I have been on the hiring end a couple times) woudl I rather pay to sort through tons of CVs from people who didn't want to work for me or would I rather pay and post an advert that peopel reply to? I'd do the latter.
I know places don't advertise and rely on word of mouth, but the replies I've gotten from posting my CV get a quick glance and get deleted. |
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Warning Bells
Joined: 10 Mar 2011
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Location: Always Changes
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Where are you posting your CV, naturegirl321?
Do you keep it current or is it three years out-of-date?
I see you live in Korea. You shoud be getting plenty of offers from Korean universities, especially if you have a master's degree in the field. Your picture is often more important to them than your experience or your education! |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003
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Location: home sweet home
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| Warning Bells wrote: |
Where are you posting your CV, naturegirl321?
Do you keep it current or is it three years out-of-date?
I see you live in Korea. You shoud be getting plenty of offers from Korean universities, especially if you have a master's degree in the field. Your picture is often more important to them than your experience or your education! |
Mine is updated regularly due to the fact that I'm always
attending conferences
giving presenations
and getting published.
I have two MAs actually  both in the field
Unfortunately, my name doesn't look American and neither does my picture. Which has caused employers toask me, How I learned English so well  despite the fact that I state I'm American born and bred. Or when my family came to the US, between 50 and over 100 years ago. My age probably works a bit against me as well, since I'm pretty young.
I post on the normal sites, not sure if I can list them here.
I actually work at a fantastic (number 4 int he country) university now. I'm not looking. I like the fact that I get double what most peopel get and 10 times as much vacation and only work 20 hoursw a week. But when I was, I posted my CV:
I gave up after receiving lots of entry level jobs. I started directly applying and had 8 interviews and 5 job offers. All from universities, good ones, mind you. I didn't count the other job offers that I got that weren't from unis. |
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randyteach
Joined: 05 Apr 2009
Posts: 24
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:10 pm Post subject: to get back to my original post... |
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| Not long after I posted, I got hired to teach English online. To be honest, it's not a bad gig, and I actually wouldn't mind doing it for the long haul. Unfortunately, the pay sucks, which is why I'm still waiting on those ME jobs I applied for. Still haven't heard from them, which leaves me wondering: say you've been working for some school there, and you decide not to re-new your contract but to work somewhere else. How do teachers working there manage to get by in between jobs? Do you just switch over to a different continent and teach there while waiting for that next ME job to come thru? |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: to get back to my original post... |
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Often they save a bit and travel. Or plan well so that there's not much time in between contracts, just a couple weeks. You could do that
If you work for a school and you know that your contract will finish in May , but your next one won't start until Sept, you could ask your first school to extend your contract. |
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hollysuel
Joined: 07 Oct 2007
Posts: 225
Location: Connecticut, USA
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:00 am Post subject: |
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My assistant and I are currently trying to wade through many, many CVs in our inbox. I have replied to a few and said I would get back to them and am still waiting to hear from my client as to how many people I'm actually going to need.
One person has sent me several messages after that initial reply and it seems to me like the person is desperate, I'm not sure--hopefully that isn't what he means to communicate, but that is how I've interpreted his emails.
Since this is my first round of CVs, I was actually surprised by several things:
1. The number of people who attached a CV, but did not put a cover letter or anything in the email--these emails got deleted right away.
2. It seems like many people didn't really read my ad as I requested native speakers of English.
3. I also asked for native speakers of English with a working knowledge of Japanese--again most people cannot speak Japanese who sent this, so they obviously didn't read the job ad--will they follow other instructions if I were to give them a job?
My assistant and I do not have the manpower to open every CV, so when you are applying, in your email cover letter state that you are qualified in the areas that the employer is looking for and it actually might get opened and you might get a response. Give them a reason to look at your CV and respond! |
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El Chupacabra
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
Posts: 378
Location: Kwangchow
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| My assistant and I do not have the manpower to open every CV, so when you are applying, in your email cover letter state that you are qualified in the areas that the employer is looking for and it actually might get opened and you might get a response. Give them a reason to look at your CV and respond! |
Thank you, Holly! Your advice is golden. I tell my business writing students to imagine the cover letter as a user's guide to the CV. That letter is really just a hook. But to set the hook, an applicant should firstly demonstrate that they know what the job is. By carefully reading an advert, they should know, as in your situation, not to bother if they aren't native English speakers or have a working knowledge of Japanese.
As an aside, non-native English speakers are sometimes excellent teachers. My MA TESL advisor, for example, only stands out as non-native if you ask where she grew up: in Brazil. Her grammar and pronunciation are perfect. By contrast, native English speakers are very often lousy teachers who provide poor models of pronunciation and grammar for ELLs. Of course, if you are dealing with education ministries in Japan then that's what you have to specify.
Good luck finding an ideal candidate. |
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hollysuel
Joined: 07 Oct 2007
Posts: 225
Location: Connecticut, USA
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| El Chupacabra wrote: |
| hollysuel wrote: |
| My assistant and I do not have the manpower to open every CV, so when you are applying, in your email cover letter state that you are qualified in the areas that the employer is looking for and it actually might get opened and you might get a response. Give them a reason to look at your CV and respond! |
Thank you, Holly! Your advice is golden. I tell my business writing students to imagine the cover letter as a user's guide to the CV. That letter is really just a hook. But to set the hook, an applicant should firstly demonstrate that they know what the job is. By carefully reading an advert, they should know, as in your situation, not to bother if they aren't native English speakers or have a working knowledge of Japanese.
As an aside, non-native English speakers are sometimes excellent teachers. My MA TESL advisor, for example, only stands out as non-native if you ask where she grew up: in Brazil. Her grammar and pronunciation are perfect. By contrast, native English speakers are very often lousy teachers who provide poor models of pronunciation and grammar for ELLs. Of course, if you are dealing with education ministries in Japan then that's what you have to specify.
Good luck finding an ideal candidate. |
Totally agree about the non-native teachers--they are excellent teachers. Hopefully, I'll be able to hire them as well, but I have to hire the types of teachers the client wants... |
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