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Susie



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:12 pm    Post subject: EdD TESOL Exeter University Dubai & work Reply with quote

Hi!

I plan to work in UAE full-time and study at Exeter University Dubai part-time. Has anyone tried this? I am trying to find work in UAE. All assistance gratefully received! Is Abu Dhabi far from Dubai?

Thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Traffic between Dubai and AD is pretty bad - downright dangerous. Depending on time of day it is probably 1.5-2 hours. Not something I would like to do on a regular basis. Find a job in the city that you will be studying in... Cool

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Susie,

Have you actually applied for the EdD course? For the part-time course, the fees are an outrageous 6,600 GB pounds per year for 4 years.(ie. 26,400 pounds)even if you are a UK citizen. This must be the most expensive UK-based course. The course is a minimum of 4 years, up to 6 years (but you pay more if over the 4 years).

In the first 2 years, you have to complete 5 modules, then the remaining two years are the thesis. You will get up to 7 intensive weekend periods of study in Dubai in the first two years, when somebody flies out to teach from Exeter (or from within the UAE, from HCT !!). You have to pay hotel costs. That's it. After that, you have to buy your own books as the "library" in Dubai is shockingly poor.

PM me for further details, but I would stay well away.
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Shimokitazawa



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dedicated wrote:
Hello Susie,

Have you actually applied for the EdD course? For the part-time course, the fees are an outrageous 6,600 GB pounds per year for 4 years.(ie. 26,400 pounds)even if you are a UK citizen. This must be the most expensive UK-based course. The course is a minimum of 4 years, up to 6 years (but you pay more if over the 4 years).

In the first 2 years, you have to complete 5 modules, then the remaining two years are the thesis. You will get up to 7 intensive weekend periods of study in Dubai in the first two years, when somebody flies out to teach from Exeter (or from within the UAE, from HCT !!). You have to pay hotel costs. That's it. After that, you have to buy your own books as the "library" in Dubai is shockingly poor.

PM me for further details, but I would stay well away.


Whoa! That's over US $40, 000 for that. Why not just go and do it back in the U.S. or U.K. (if your British) and get a T.A. position to offset the costs or a scholarship? That's a lot of money to cough up for that degree on a satellite campus.
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Dedicated



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shimokitazawa,

If you go to Exeter, the fees for EdD (TESOL) are :

UK/EU student (part-time): 2,300 GB pounds a year
International Student: 6,100 GB pounds a year

UK/EU student (full-time) : 4,600 GB pounds a year
International Student : 12,200 GB pounds a year

In the UK, there are no scholarships or TA jobs. You have to do a minimum of 4 years study.....a massive investment.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dedicated wrote:
Shimokitazawa,

If you go to Exeter, the fees for EdD (TESOL) are :

UK/EU student (part-time): 2,300 GB pounds a year
International Student: 6,100 GB pounds a year

UK/EU student (full-time) : 4,600 GB pounds a year
International Student : 12,200 GB pounds a year

In the UK, there are no scholarships or TA jobs. You have to do a minimum of 4 years study.....a massive investment.


Thanks for clarifying.

At any rate, that is a very significant commitment, in terms of time and costs.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:40 pm    Post subject: Another perspective Reply with quote

I have thought about doing the same thing. The fees are expensive, but I, for one, cannot afford to live on a TA salary at this point in my life. TA's in the English department of my university earned about $1,200 per month for 9 months with some of the lucky ones getting a summer gig. And, not everyone gets a TAship, especially in this financial climate.

I paid my tuition while teaching full time, and I ended up a lot better financially and professionally than my friends who were TA's and had to cover all their expenses (family, housing, transport, food, etc.) on $1,200 per month. Most of them ended up working extra jobs or getting student loans.

If you find a job in Dubai or its environs that affords you a decent salary and perks (housing, transportation allowance) even even if you were to pay $10,500 in tuition per year, you could probably end up well into the black when you finish. You also might be able to find a student to share a hotel room and transport costs if you weren't actually in Dubai for the residencies.

I just wanted to post this as an alternative opinion. A "free" degree is attractive, but it isn't always the best option if you want to avoid debt and continue on with your professional life. It really depends on your goals and financial security.

I am interested to hear from someone who is actually in this program though. Anyone?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dedicated wrote:
Shimokitazawa,

In the UK, there are no scholarships or TA jobs. You have to do a minimum of 4 years study.....a massive investment.


You can actually get ESRC funding at certain universities if you do a PhD in Applied Linguistics. I am not sure about EdD though, probably not.
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Susie



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:55 pm    Post subject: TESOL Doctorate Proposal Reply with quote

Hello TESOL experts,

I want to write a proposal. I'm interested in learning theories, TESOL methodologies to effect learning, and managers assessment of the effectiveness to the learners of the TESOL methodologies.

Can you offer some links for some readings to assist me in writing my proposal?
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Middle East Beast



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: TESOL Doctorate Proposal Reply with quote

Susie wrote:
Hello TESOL experts,

I want to write a proposal. I'm interested in learning theories, TESOL methodologies to effect learning, and managers assessment of the effectiveness to the learners of the TESOL methodologies.

Can you offer some links for some readings to assist me in writing my proposal?


No, but I can tell you that HCT would be a model for reference for your section entitled, "Theories, Methodologies, and Assessments to Avoid."

MEB Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP - where do you "plan" to work while pursuing the PhD? I assume the PhD would also need some research component as well - Most UAE (government sponsored) tertiary institutions are not receptive to research on their students/procedures/etc.

I know of 2 PhD students who were refused permission to use HCT data (where they were employed at the time and HCT "prefers" PhD holders as faculty) in conjunction with their research/theses.
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Shimokitazawa



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

helenl wrote:
OP - where do you "plan" to work while pursuing the PhD? I assume the PhD would also need some research component as well - Most UAE (government sponsored) tertiary institutions are not receptive to research on their students/procedures/etc.

I know of 2 PhD students who were refused permission to use HCT data (where they were employed at the time and HCT "prefers" PhD holders as faculty) in conjunction with their research/theses.


helenl,

So let me see if I understand this right: HCT (and other schools in the UAE?) prefer to hire teachers with Doctorates but do not support (or allow?) research to be conducted with their own students.

The question I have then is - How do universities expect their teachers to conduct any kind of research - action research - in TESOL?

I teach in Asia, and it is extremely normal for teachers to do action research with their classes and then publish their research results.

Not so in the UAE?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:09 pm    Post subject: Re: TESOL Doctorate Proposal Reply with quote

Middle East Beast wrote:
Susie wrote:
Hello TESOL experts,

I want to write a proposal. I'm interested in learning theories, TESOL methodologies to effect learning, and managers assessment of the effectiveness to the learners of the TESOL methodologies.

Can you offer some links for some readings to assist me in writing my proposal?


No, but I can tell you that HCT would be a model for reference for your section entitled, "Theories, Methodologies, and Assessments to Avoid."

MEB Cool


YIKES!! Shocked
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Susie



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for those comments!

Would you mind asking the two PhD candidates whether they could share some reading weblinks?

Catch 22: You need a proposal to get your application approved, and you can only access the online reading weblinks after you've paid your fees!

Where is a good place to work in order to gather research data for an EdD TESOL?
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Shimokitazawa



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Susie wrote:
Where is a good place to work in order to gather research data for an EdD TESOL?


Susie,

Try the following countries:

Korea
China
Japan
Taiwan

I can speak from personal experience in that schools allow action research to be conducted by teachers with their students.
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