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yogurtpooh



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:28 pm    Post subject: just some noob salary questions Reply with quote

hi,
Do legit employers (onces that require work permits etc) have a problem with paying in cash? Do they offer a receipt or a pay stub? The reason I am asking is that I want to get paid half under the table and half on paper - to avoid certain Uncle Sam student loan issues. Basically, if I hit a certain x amount of salary per month my student loans repayment procedures will start before I want them to.

And lastly, aside from going through the banks (which Uncle Sam might be aware of) how can I send money back home to the states?
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LettersAthruZ



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:38 am    Post subject: Re: just some noob salary questions Reply with quote

yogurtpooh wrote:
hi,
Do legit employers (onces that require work permits etc) have a problem with paying in cash? Do they offer a receipt or a pay stub? The reason I am asking is that I want to get paid half under the table and half on paper - to avoid certain Uncle Sam student loan issues. Basically, if I hit a certain x amount of salary per month my student loans repayment procedures will start before I want them to.

And lastly, aside from going through the banks (which Uncle Sam might be aware of) how can I send money back home to the states?


Nope - it has been my ONE experience working for a "proper" centre/school and the experience of several colleagues of mine as well that you pay packet WILL be in cash. In either USD or, usually, at VietcomBank's conversion rate.

In terms of a pay stub, generally SOMETHING IS written down and a copy given to you from the director/secretary/accountant stating HOW MANY hours you taught that month, how MUCH you earn per hour and what your total pay packet is (minus taxes and health insurance and whatever else).

I know a couple Yanks up here with student loan issues....pretty brutal stuff......

Sending money BACK to a Tay (Western) Country? There are a few ways - keep searching the forums....it has been discussed a few times before here!
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Oh My God



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:58 pm    Post subject: Re: just some noob salary questions Reply with quote

yogurtpooh wrote:
hi,
Do legit employers (onces that require work permits etc) have a problem with paying in cash? Do they offer a receipt or a pay stub? The reason I am asking is that I want to get paid half under the table and half on paper - to avoid certain Uncle Sam student loan issues. Basically, if I hit a certain x amount of salary per month my student loans repayment procedures will start before I want them to.


Unless you're making in excess of 80,000.00 USD, you don't even need to do a tax return for the IRS.
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yogurtpooh



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if they do pay me in cash, which is great, would opening a bank account in Vietnam under a different name be possible? thanks
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LettersAthruZ



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yogurtpooh wrote:
if they do pay me in cash, which is great, would opening a bank account in Vietnam under a different name be possible? thanks


Errmmm....what reason a different name? I highly doubt that would be possible unless you do the "front" thing [e.g. a foreigner in reality owns the business, but gets a Vietnamese "front" to state ON PAPER that he or she owns it so it appears legit]. I mean, yeah - you could prolly put it under a close Vietnamese friend's name and use the ATM card and such.....but......I mean....I'd STRONGLY advise even thinking about going down that road.....you probably won't see your ca$h ever again!
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spycatcher reincarnated



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If an employer pays you in cash they are not a legitimate employer!!!

If the tax dpt sees salaries are paid in cash it is an immediate red light to them and it is only companies that are prepared to "negotiate" with tax dpt. that would consider going down this line.

If you are paid any part of your salary in cash you should expect that correct PIT has not been paid and shouldn't be surprised if at a later date you are asked to pay over due tax.

Yes, I am sure a number of employers would pay you in cash.
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LettersAthruZ



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spycatcher reincarnated wrote:
If an employer pays you in cash they are not a legitimate employer!!!


Guess that eliminates a fair number of the "big name" schools/centres from legitimacy, then....

spycatcher reincarnated wrote:
If the tax dpt sees salaries are paid in cash it is an immediate red light to them and it is only companies that are prepared to "negotiate" with tax dpt. that would consider going down this line.

If you are paid any part of your salary in cash you should expect that correct PIT has not been paid and shouldn't be surprised if at a later date you are asked to pay over due tax.


You're correct to an extent....talked to a few colleagues on this....heard one story where a teacher at a school/centre who paid in cash gave notice that they were leaving - they DID get zinged on the final pay packet for taxes......

....all the others said that they departed with notice, and got the final full pay envelope.

There is statute law on paper in the books here.......

.......

.......

....and then there is the way that things are handled in Viet Nam. Rolling Eyes


That is a good point, though - If they pay in cash, I would get the tax arrangement DOWN ON CONTRACTUAL PAPER if you're concerned about it.

If not.....well.....if you're not that excited about taking chances with your final pay envelope.....perhaps best not to be too loose-lipped about your departure from that employer......
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yogurtpooh



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I open up a bank account in Vietnam, would any agency here (IRS, loan company etc) be able to tell that I have another account aside from my main one in the states, if I do not send funds from one bank to another? Since im currently in a grace period and in between undergrad and post grad- making anymore than 500 a month will trigger reoccuring payments.

I can't imagine living in the states without a bank account, would it be okay to live in vietnam without a bank account and debit card etc?

Ideally, getting paid in cash will be the best route for me, but I would like to move at least half of my earnings into USD and to America to family as soon as possible.
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you really think Viet banks would open their books to the IRS?

Get the bank account and then send the money to a family members account in the states. Or get a family member to open an account just for your Viet Nam earnings.

How long until you go to grad school?
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LettersAthruZ



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I talked to one of my American friends who is over here ducking almost six-digits worth of student loans - he said, no - The I.R.S. would not even bother to ask a Vietnamese bank if a student loan debtor has an account over here and technically, the Department of Education cannot even seize a UNITED STATES bank account (but they can attach your US wages and your national tax refund and all that lot....)

Naw, just put the Vietnamese bank account in your name.....naw fret!

Can you live here without a bank account? OF COURSE! And quite easily - Viet Nam is a 96% CA$H-BASED SOCIETY (veeerrry few places actually accept credit cards)....but I just have a bank account myself with an ATM card simply for convenience to not have to bother carrying around large amounts of cash with me (because, in the Big Five Cities of Viet Nam, theft and pickpocketing are rampant - regardless of what the rose-coloured glasses crowd tells ya.....) Rolling Eyes
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yogurtpooh



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks a lot! the real question is how can I send back money without a bank account.
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bentanddisfunctional



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moneygram/western union dummy Shocked
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LettersAthruZ



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bentanddisfunctional wrote:
moneygram/western union dummy Shocked


I HAVE HEARD some sort of rumour that, in order to send money OUT of Viet Nam via Western Union or MoneyGram, YOU MUST PHYSICALLY ACCOUNT FOR ITS ORIGINS (e.g. - pay stub WITH work AND residency permits)....sooooo, IF this having to ACCOUNT for your ca$h IS true, that'd kinda imply that if you are back-packing (NO work permit) or are an Independent Contractor/Freelancer that does deal in pure ca$h sans receipts or hit several hundred at the slot machines in the Four-Star hotels, then you're S.O.L. sending money back to The USA that way....

.....again, though - this is IF what I have heard about accounting for the cash that you are sending out of Viet nam is correct!

Anybody???
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snollygoster



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:09 am    Post subject: Not likely Reply with quote

"moneygram/western union dummy"

I guess this is a quote from someone who has actually done this?
If so, how lucky you were compared to myself and others who tried this route and met such incredible "red tape" that we gave up.

If you in fact were successful in achieving this, please be so kind as to post how you got around the usual million questions, forms, taxes and general discouragement of sending money out of Vietnam.
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