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Soupman

Joined: 06 Jun 2011
Posts: 23

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:15 pm Post subject:

wiganer wrote:

Also, in some parts of the world, whoring, bar hopping and jumping ship because you are bored will reflect badly on your colleagues - rightly or wrongly.

I think the OP should stick to online poker. Very Happy

Bar hopping is no crime and should be encouraged. Just who wants to sit in one bar all night? I see it as distributing my wealth. And no one has yet mentioned whoring and ship jumping. Be fair on the opening poster, please.

I still challenge the notion that someone displaying no enthusiasm should be pilloried. We all get students like this, and if any of you give up so easily, boy are you in the wrong trade. There�s little difference here, and some of you should be wondering about your good selves.

Was it not John 8:7 who said in the good book (not Murphy�s, the other one), �Let he who is without sin��?

Isla Guapa

Joined: 19 Apr 2010
Posts: 1520
Location: Mexico City o sea La Gran Manzana Mexicana

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:34 pm Post subject:

Soupman wrote:

I still challenge the notion that someone displaying no enthusiasm should be pilloried. We all get students like this, and if any of you give up so easily, boy are you in the wrong trade. There�s little difference here, and some of you should be wondering about your good selves.

There is a big difference between a teacher having to deal with unenthusiastic students and students having to deal with an apathetic teacher.

wiganer

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 189

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:47 pm Post subject:

Soupman wrote:

wiganer wrote:

I agree, but his employers in some parts of the would take a dim view on him bar hopping and as for his not mentioning whoring - I think he mentioned somewhere (in another thread maybe) about Thailand and all the 'temptations' - I don't think he was talking about the Buddhist temples!

Soupman

Joined: 06 Jun 2011
Posts: 23

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:52 pm Post subject:

Isla Guapa wrote:

There is a big difference between a teacher having to deal with unenthusiastic students and students having to deal with an apathetic teacher.

But we are not students. We are teachers, here to discuss and if need be offer advice.

Advice in this case would be something like: Give teaching a try for a few months to a year. You might enjoy it and be very good. If neither of those happens, think again.

Go away. Play online poker. These are spiteful comments. Again, if some of you have little but spite to offer, perhaps your general attitude, including that towards your students, is also questionable. I�m not really a Christian and had to google the John bible reference, but we should give people the benefit of the doubt to begin with.

wiganer

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 189

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:57 pm Post subject:

Soupman wrote:

Go away. Play online poker. These are spiteful comments.

The boy said he wanted to make money by online gambling! Laughing

Right now I work in a call centre and in the past have done admin, office, marketing etc. I have to find a new job everytime I come home but at times I've made a really good living from online ventures such as gambling and other stuff. Unfortunately they are short term money makers and are no longer profitable. Shame too as they certainly beat having to get up at 6am every day and spending all day in an office you don't want to be in.

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If I could find that job then I'd be doing it, I've looked into so many different options and can find nothing that is actually viable for me to do, like I mentioned above I've had a few online ventures in the past but they were all short term ways to make decent money, not long term or sustainable. If I could live abroad / travel whilst making money from online income then trust me I would.

Tell me Soupman, where have you lived and taught?

Soupman

Joined: 06 Jun 2011
Posts: 23

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:06 pm Post subject:

wiganer wrote:

I�m assuming bar hopping is drinking alcohol in one bar before moving on to another? Now, if ScottishGringo is considering Saudi Arabia, it could be one hell of a bad career move. Most other places, though, it�s perfectly legal. Assuming ScottishGringo isn�t hopping with his young learners or arriving at class drunk or hung-over, he should be free to hop as he pleases.

I know Thailand and particularly Bangkok very well and enjoy all it has to offer. But if I were a lawyer, I would be screaming �objection� to the whoring insinuation. Come now, Thailand has numerous temptations far more favourable than �whoring�.

Soupman

Joined: 06 Jun 2011
Posts: 23

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:10 pm Post subject:

wiganer wrote:

Tell me Soupman, where have you lived and taught?

Very happily for a minimum of 18 months apiece in Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, Africa, Spain and France. Not sure the relevance to ScottishGringo�s plight, but feel free to discuss my r�sum� if you will.

wiganer

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 189

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject:

Soupman wrote:

wiganer wrote:

It might be perfectly legal but it doesn't stop your employer from taking a dim view and sacking you/withholding wages for bringing the name of the institution you work at into disrepute, in fact, in China - you can be terminated and kicked out of the country for exactly that (on the contract it is typed as 'offending the morals of the Peoples Republic of China). I have a work colleague who has had a jolly good time bar hopping and whoring in the city we lived in and now his bosses have witheld 4/5s of his wages - what is he going to do? Go to ACAS?

If ScottishGringo is a young single male in his mid 20s and is trying to convince anyone daft enough to listen that he is going to Thailand
for anything other than drinking and whoring then he is pissing on their back and telling them it is raining.

wiganer

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 189

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:18 pm Post subject:

Soupman wrote:

wiganer wrote:

Tell me Soupman, where have you lived and taught?

The OP is talking about going to China and I have lived in China for 2 years - if he thinks he is going to live it up in China like he did in Thailand (especially if he works for a university) then he had better think again.

If he starts rabbiting on about working and living in Singapore - maybe then you can offer him some good advice.

I think he should stick to online poker.

Soupman

Joined: 06 Jun 2011
Posts: 23

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:20 pm Post subject:

I'm sure he will heed your sober and level-headed advice.

Zero

Joined: 08 Sep 2004
Posts: 1402

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:27 pm Post subject:

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pissing on their back and telling them it is raining

Do you have to pay extra for that in Thailand?

artemisia

Joined: 04 Nov 2008
Posts: 875
Location: the world

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:29 am Post subject:

Soupman:

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Johnslat initially gave the OP a very helpful response and my own was positive, too. As someone else wrote, having this field rubbished is unlikely to create much of a positive response overall.

I think some posters are clearly mindful of a possible unsuspecting bunch of future learners and what might be inflicted upon them as well as possible future colleagues. The people you work with usually have a big impact on a work environment.

Last edited by artemisia on Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:28 am; edited 1 time in total

Zero

Joined: 08 Sep 2004
Posts: 1402

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:56 am Post subject:

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What happens though is that through the behaviour of one teacher - we all got dragged into his moral abyss - for example, I sent my wife off into a taxi and taxi driver goes 'who is he?' 'he is my husband' 'do you know I have driven him to brothels' Of course she didn't believe him because every night I spend with her but to the taxi driver - if he is driving one English teacher from that university to a brothel then we are all doing it.

As if the average Chinese guy, for example a taxi driver, has any moral high ground to criticize or snitch on someone for visiting brothels.

wiganer

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 189

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:45 am Post subject:

Zero wrote:

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As if the average Chinese guy, for example a taxi driver, has any moral high ground to criticize or snitch on someone for visiting brothels.

But they did - in a very short space of time, everyone knew on campus (and amongst the taxi drivers of the city) that one of the laowai teachers was visiting brothels and massage parlours and in the end we all ended up guilty by (very flimsy) association. I was screaming angry at the time but that is the mindset that exists over there - one persons behaviour affects does affect others - unfairly or not.

artemisia

Joined: 04 Nov 2008
Posts: 875
Location: the world

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:39 am Post subject:

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...reading some of the comments here, it's as if people feel that the only valid teachers are those with the same levels of ambition and energy as they have.

Actually that's not the impression I got, and certainly not what I said initially at the beginning of this thread, but I suppose my overall impression comes from a few different threads from the OP.

I think there is quite a bit of tolerance for those who might want to give teaching a go but are not sure it's for them and many want to use TEFL as a way to travel. I thought that it was something positive that the OP wanted to at least do an initial course as many don't bother. Maybe it's just a reflection of where I work but I find students are becoming increasingly demanding and ambitious. They don't hesitate to complain if they're not happy with the teaching they're getting. It doesn't hurt for would-be teachers to get a reality check on that if indeed what I experience is in anyway representative of other places, too.

The OP has had helpful suggestions on this and other threads.

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