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snollygoster
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 Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:26 am Post subject: Good laugh |
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I honestly think the industry here is pretty professional compared to lots of other places.
Ha ha ha ha-and ha ha ha ha.
I guess its less professional on the moon.
The guys who park the motorbikes and bicycles are reasonably professional I guess. The school admin. should swap jobs with them. More would get done. |
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I'm With Stupid
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| I think working at a job here where the employee is truly well pleased and satisfied must be pretty rare, or the employee has a very low threshold for job satisfaction. |
To be fair, I think if you were to exclusively base your opinions on what you've read in forums, you would struggle to find any English teachers who were truly pleased and satisfied with their jobs. Yet in the real world, when I talk to other teachers about their jobs, they largely have nothing but good things to say. Okay, maybe the odd gripe about a particular policy, but nothing drastic, and certainly nothing to suggest that they're simply enduring their jobs in order to live in Vietnam or make money, like so many people do in certain other Asian countries, that shall remain nameless. I honestly think the industry here is pretty professional compared to lots of other places. Okay, it's not Western Europe, but it doesn't seem to be the sort of wild west of ESL you get in the supposedly developed countries of Korea and Japan, either. |
You've never worked/been blackmailed at AHS/IPS I assume. |
No, why would I have been when there are countless reputable employers around? But I was talking particularly about how there are plenty of schools that take teaching seriously and value proper teacher training, which is in stark contrast to the likes of Japan or Korea. |
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I'm With Stupid
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:19 am Post subject: Re: Good laugh |
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| snollygoster wrote: |
I honestly think the industry here is pretty professional compared to lots of other places.
Ha ha ha ha-and ha ha ha ha.
I guess its less professional on the moon.
The guys who park the motorbikes and bicycles are reasonably professional I guess. The school admin. should swap jobs with them. More would get done. |
Ah, another vague comment from snollygoster about how all of Vietnam is shit. I tell you what, why not do something useful for once and actually name names if you've got complaints about particular employers? Then people reading the forums will know which employers to avoid and why, rather than giving the entire country a miss, just because you've been screwed over a few times. |
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snollygoster
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:58 am Post subject: Name them? |
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name names if you've got complaints about particular employers?
Thank you Stupid.
So lets just get out the phone book, start at "A" and go to "Z" and say -all of them. |
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snollygoster
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:01 am Post subject: Misquote |
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all of Vietnam is shit
A Stupid misquote? I didn't say that. There's lots about Vietnam that doesn't fall into that catagory, but ESL employers who don't are few and far between. Power to the few who don't fall into that catagory. |
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deadlift
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:25 am Post subject: Re: Name them? |
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| snollygoster wrote: |
So lets just get out the phone book, start at "A" and go to "Z" and say -all of them. |
But that would be flat-out wrong, wouldn't it?
You can pretend that you have intimate knowledge of every corner of Vietnam's ESL scene as much as you want, but the fact is that your experience in Vietnam is not representative, just like mine or anyone else's isn't. |
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I'm With Stupid
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:33 am Post subject: Re: Name them? |
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| snollygoster wrote: |
name names if you've got complaints about particular employers?
Thank you Stupid.
So lets just get out the phone book, start at "A" and go to "Z" and say -all of them. |
Or in other words "I don't have the balls to say." I thought as much.  All talk with nothing to back it up as usual. |
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1st Sgt Welsh
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:56 am Post subject: Re: Name them? |
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| snollygoster wrote: |
name names if you've got complaints about particular employers?
Thank you Stupid.
So lets just get out the phone book, start at "A" and go to "Z" and say -all of them. |
Well, let's start at the beginning with the letter "A" than shall we?  I have worked at ACET for almost two years and I have no complaints whatsoever  . |
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Beautiful Loser
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| I'm With Stupid wrote: |
| Beautiful Loser wrote: |
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| mark_in_saigon wrote: |
| I think working at a job here where the employee is truly well pleased and satisfied must be pretty rare, or the employee has a very low threshold for job satisfaction. |
To be fair, I think if you were to exclusively base your opinions on what you've read in forums, you would struggle to find any English teachers who were truly pleased and satisfied with their jobs. Yet in the real world, when I talk to other teachers about their jobs, they largely have nothing but good things to say. Okay, maybe the odd gripe about a particular policy, but nothing drastic, and certainly nothing to suggest that they're simply enduring their jobs in order to live in Vietnam or make money, like so many people do in certain other Asian countries, that shall remain nameless. I honestly think the industry here is pretty professional compared to lots of other places. Okay, it's not Western Europe, but it doesn't seem to be the sort of wild west of ESL you get in the supposedly developed countries of Korea and Japan, either. |
You've never worked/been blackmailed at AHS/IPS I assume. |
No, why would I have been when there are countless reputable employers around? But I was talking particularly about how there are plenty of schools that take teaching seriously and value proper teacher training, which is in stark contrast to the likes of Japan or Korea. |
Countless? Hardly. |
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snollygoster
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:54 am Post subject: No Balls |
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Of course there are a few OK employers-but it would be easier to name them than to name the bad ones.
Notice most of the OK ones will be foreign run.
If you want a list of bad ones, just a few to think about seeing Stupid thinks I don't have the balls to name some-
Duong Minh
Lee Cam
Outer Space
East Europe
Ocean College
Saigon Tech
Lotus
VUS
Kinderworld
+ many more.
None of these are surprises as they have been mentioned here before as falling short on "quality" management.
How long do you want the list to be?
Easier to give a list of OK employers-far less typing.
By the way Stupid- correct I dont have balls. |
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Andy123
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I have to agree with 1st Sgt about ACET. They are a fine school.
The list of schools that Snolly named is so true. This is a very short list. That is the problem with Vietnam's ESL market, you never know from day to day what will happen or if you will be paid correctly or even paid.
I have been shorted countless times from schools and down right cheated out of thousands of dollars. If this has not happened to you yet just wait as it is just a matter of time. |
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